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#4571664 - 11/12/17 10:25 AM 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16
kaminski54 Offline


Registered: 04/11/13
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Loc: TN
Hello All,

I recently purchased a 4-cylinder (a25a-fks) 18' Camry specing 0W-16 oil. Being that this is the first 0w-16 spec'd car in the US (at least that I am aware of), I figured a discussion was in order. The manual states that 0W-20 can be used but must be changed back to 0W-16 at next oil change.

I know I am overthinking it, but that is kind of why we belong to BITOG. I changed my factory fill oil at 1000 miles... looked perfectly fine with no metal flakes etc. I've seen before in a factory fill. I also cut open the stock filter... ridiculously clean. I am now convinced that an early drain is not needed.




I refilled it with TMGO 0W-16 from the dealer (about $7/QT) and a stock Toyota filter. I have researched as much as I can and just can't get over a 16 grade oil. Again I know I am overthinking, but I just keep wondering about such a light oil at prolonged highway speeds temperature and therefore viscosity-wise. I also am concerned about a 20 grade or 30 grade leading to increased bearing/piston/valvetrain temperatures due to lower flow or tighter tolerances at non-highway engine speeds.

Can engines really be built that have such tolerances and oil pathways that a 30 grade oil will be restricted in flow? If so, are these engines what we are now seeing? Is this just a ploy by Toyota to capture market share on oil until/if the big oil companies start mass producing 0W-16?

Any other thoughts, research, or recommendations?

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#4571667 - 11/12/17 10:30 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
Delta Offline


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Well I'll be; they went back to a regular oil filter for this 4 cylinder.
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#4571669 - 11/12/17 10:31 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
Mr Nice Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 21178
Loc: Orlando, FL
Good to see a spin on oil filter instead of silly cartridge filter.

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#4571678 - 11/12/17 10:42 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
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interesting way to cut a filter open :czy:

AAP is starting to carry CQ Synthetic 0w16, made by Amalie/Wolf's Head. About $25 for 5 quarts and a "filter" (but you can always get a real filter at Napa or O'R)

I that one of those Made in Japan filters you can;t buy outside the factory?

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#4571682 - 11/12/17 10:44 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: Delta]
car51 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Delta
Well I'll be; they went back to a regular oil filter for this 4 cylinder.


Yeah, 4967 FRAM variant FYI smile
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#4571691 - 11/12/17 10:53 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: slacktide_bitog]
kaminski54 Offline


Registered: 04/11/13
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Loc: TN
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
interesting way to cut a filter open :czy:

AAP is starting to carry CQ Synthetic 0w16, made by Amalie/Wolf's Head. About $25 for 5 quarts and a "filter" (but you can always get a real filter at Napa or O'R)

I that one of those Made in Japan filters you can;t buy outside the factory?


Yeah, It was late at night. Flat head screw driver and hammer to make a slit, then tin shears to cut an opening. It works.

This was the factory filter, but the replacement looked identical with the same part number.

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#4571692 - 11/12/17 10:53 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
beanoil Offline


Registered: 10/17/04
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Loc: Midwest, Illinois
What does the engine spec in other countries, and 6 months from now, someone will have already run a thicker oil with no problems.
Valvoline Instant OMG has (seriously!) already put in an 0w20 or 5w20 somewhere.
Even your statement gives you a way out. The manufacturer support 0w20 if 16 is n't available. It isn't in so many places.....


Edited by beanoil (11/12/17 10:55 AM)
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#4571693 - 11/12/17 10:54 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
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Is the OP our first BITOG 0w-16 user?
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#4571706 - 11/12/17 11:06 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: Delta]
JTK Offline


Registered: 08/14/03
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Loc: Buffalo, NY
Originally Posted By: Delta
Well I'll be; they went back to a regular oil filter for this 4 cylinder.


I hear that! Seems weird to take a step backwards.

The cartridge filter element was huge in comparison to that thimble sized spin-on as well.
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#4571707 - 11/12/17 11:07 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: beanoil]
kaminski54 Offline


Registered: 04/11/13
Posts: 58
Loc: TN
Originally Posted By: beanoil
What does the engine spec in other countries, and 6 months from now, someone will have already run a thicker oil with no problems.
Valvoline Instant OMG has (seriously!) already put in an 0w20 or 5w20 somewhere.
Even your statement gives you a way out. The manufacturer support 0w20 if 16 is n't available. It isn't in so many places.....


I've been looking for a international spec chart but cannot find one. Would feel much better if I could see one.

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#4571708 - 11/12/17 11:07 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: PimTac]
kaminski54 Offline


Registered: 04/11/13
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Loc: TN
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Is the OP our first BITOG 0w-16 user?


Oh dear God... Please no.

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#4571744 - 11/12/17 11:40 AM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
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Registered: 01/18/03
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According to the article below, they are seeing a 2-4% increase in fuel economy with 0W16 and are working on 0W8.

https://noln.net/2017/06/30/skinny-ow-16-oil/
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#4571765 - 11/12/17 12:11 PM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
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How long did it take to chew that open?
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#4571771 - 11/12/17 12:21 PM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
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Registered: 05/09/05
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Progress never stops. There were similar fears with 0W-20 and it's common now for fleet engines to go past 500k mile mark on it. Congrats on the new car and trusting the engineers of your engine.


Edited by vinu_neuro (11/12/17 12:22 PM)
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#4571781 - 11/12/17 12:32 PM Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54]
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Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 3395
Loc: Columbus,Nebraska
That's off of a 18 Camry? When did Toyota go back to a canister type oil filter? That's definitely a step back in the right direction.

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