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2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 #4571664
11/12/17 11:25 AM
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kaminski54 Offline OP
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Hello All,

I recently purchased a 4-cylinder (a25a-fks) 18' Camry specing 0W-16 oil. Being that this is the first 0w-16 spec'd car in the US (at least that I am aware of), I figured a discussion was in order. The manual states that 0W-20 can be used but must be changed back to 0W-16 at next oil change.

I know I am overthinking it, but that is kind of why we belong to BITOG. I changed my factory fill oil at 1000 miles... looked perfectly fine with no metal flakes etc. I've seen before in a factory fill. I also cut open the stock filter... ridiculously clean. I am now convinced that an early drain is not needed.




I refilled it with TMGO 0W-16 from the dealer (about $7/QT) and a stock Toyota filter. I have researched as much as I can and just can't get over a 16 grade oil. Again I know I am overthinking, but I just keep wondering about such a light oil at prolonged highway speeds temperature and therefore viscosity-wise. I also am concerned about a 20 grade or 30 grade leading to increased bearing/piston/valvetrain temperatures due to lower flow or tighter tolerances at non-highway engine speeds.

Can engines really be built that have such tolerances and oil pathways that a 30 grade oil will be restricted in flow? If so, are these engines what we are now seeing? Is this just a ploy by Toyota to capture market share on oil until/if the big oil companies start mass producing 0W-16?

Any other thoughts, research, or recommendations?

Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571667
11/12/17 11:30 AM
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Well I'll be; they went back to a regular oil filter for this 4 cylinder.


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Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571669
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Good to see a spin on oil filter instead of silly cartridge filter.

Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571678
11/12/17 11:42 AM
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interesting way to cut a filter open :czy:

AAP is starting to carry CQ Synthetic 0w16, made by Amalie/Wolf's Head. About $25 for 5 quarts and a "filter" (but you can always get a real filter at Napa or O'R)

I that one of those Made in Japan filters you can;t buy outside the factory?

Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: Delta] #4571682
11/12/17 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: Delta
Well I'll be; they went back to a regular oil filter for this 4 cylinder.


Yeah, 4967 FRAM variant FYI smile


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4571691
11/12/17 11:53 AM
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kaminski54 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
interesting way to cut a filter open :czy:

AAP is starting to carry CQ Synthetic 0w16, made by Amalie/Wolf's Head. About $25 for 5 quarts and a "filter" (but you can always get a real filter at Napa or O'R)

I that one of those Made in Japan filters you can;t buy outside the factory?


Yeah, It was late at night. Flat head screw driver and hammer to make a slit, then tin shears to cut an opening. It works.

This was the factory filter, but the replacement looked identical with the same part number.

Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571692
11/12/17 11:53 AM
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What does the engine spec in other countries, and 6 months from now, someone will have already run a thicker oil with no problems.
Valvoline Instant OMG has (seriously!) already put in an 0w20 or 5w20 somewhere.
Even your statement gives you a way out. The manufacturer support 0w20 if 16 is n't available. It isn't in so many places.....

Last edited by beanoil; 11/12/17 11:55 AM.

beanoil: Tough under heat, real dirty afterwards.
Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571693
11/12/17 11:54 AM
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Is the OP our first BITOG 0w-16 user?


2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring

Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w20
Mobil 1 M108A EP filter

Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: Delta] #4571706
11/12/17 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Delta
Well I'll be; they went back to a regular oil filter for this 4 cylinder.


I hear that! Seems weird to take a step backwards.

The cartridge filter element was huge in comparison to that thimble sized spin-on as well.


2017 Ram 1500 4x4, 3.6L. 2016 Nissan Quest SV (Babe magnet IV)
Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: beanoil] #4571707
11/12/17 12:07 PM
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kaminski54 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: beanoil
What does the engine spec in other countries, and 6 months from now, someone will have already run a thicker oil with no problems.
Valvoline Instant OMG has (seriously!) already put in an 0w20 or 5w20 somewhere.
Even your statement gives you a way out. The manufacturer support 0w20 if 16 is n't available. It isn't in so many places.....


I've been looking for a international spec chart but cannot find one. Would feel much better if I could see one.

Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: PimTac] #4571708
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kaminski54 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Is the OP our first BITOG 0w-16 user?


Oh dear God... Please no.

Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571744
11/12/17 12:40 PM
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Colorado
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According to the article below, they are seeing a 2-4% increase in fuel economy with 0W16 and are working on 0W8.

https://noln.net/2017/06/30/skinny-ow-16-oil/


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Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571765
11/12/17 01:11 PM
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How long did it take to chew that open?


2004 Corolla 124805
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571771
11/12/17 01:21 PM
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Progress never stops. There were similar fears with 0W-20 and it's common now for fleet engines to go past 500k mile mark on it. Congrats on the new car and trusting the engineers of your engine.

Last edited by vinu_neuro; 11/12/17 01:22 PM.


Re: 2018 Camry I4 XSE 0W-16 [Re: kaminski54] #4571781
11/12/17 01:32 PM
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That's off of a 18 Camry? When did Toyota go back to a canister type oil filter? That's definitely a step back in the right direction.

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