I had WS in the Highlander and used Amsoil Multi-Vehicle formula. If I hadn't I would have used MaxLife. It's a problem to find here locally though.
Dex6 in a WS Toyota trans?
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Maxlife is a great replacement for many ATF's WS included and it's listed on the gallon jugs I have.
Originally Posted by Or
It is a poor DexIII or T-IV replacement, but an upgrade for WS.
I doubt the validity of this statement because every DEXRON application I have used Maxlife in there has been absolutely no difference in performance.
It is a poor DexIII or T-IV replacement, but an upgrade for WS.
I doubt the validity of this statement because every DEXRON application I have used Maxlife in there has been absolutely no difference in performance.
Originally Posted by dblshock
Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
Toyota WS Ebay
The gallon of maxlife ends up being $4.50 a quart, still way cheaper than any eBay WS for sale. If you plan on doing multiple changes the cost savings begins to add up fast.
Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
Toyota WS Ebay
The gallon of maxlife ends up being $4.50 a quart, still way cheaper than any eBay WS for sale. If you plan on doing multiple changes the cost savings begins to add up fast.
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Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
WorldPac sells Idemitsu TLS-LV for under $6/qt if you do a stock order. The folks on oilclub have done some testing beyond a typical VOA and conclude that it is chemically identical to WS:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/28529-idemitsu-atf-type-tls-lv-svezhee/&prev=search
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
WorldPac sells Idemitsu TLS-LV for under $6/qt if you do a stock order. The folks on oilclub have done some testing beyond a typical VOA and conclude that it is chemically identical to WS:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/28529-idemitsu-atf-type-tls-lv-svezhee/&prev=search
Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
WorldPac sells Idemitsu TLS-LV for under $6/qt if you do a stock order. The folks on oilclub have done some testing beyond a typical VOA and conclude that it is chemically identical to WS:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/28529-idemitsu-atf-type-tls-lv-svezhee/&prev=search
You live in a big city. I'm in the boondocks. Nobody stocks that oil here. Add in shipping and it's not worth bothering with I'm sure.
Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
WorldPac sells Idemitsu TLS-LV for under $6/qt if you do a stock order. The folks on oilclub have done some testing beyond a typical VOA and conclude that it is chemically identical to WS:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/28529-idemitsu-atf-type-tls-lv-svezhee/&prev=search
You live in a big city. I'm in the boondocks. Nobody stocks that oil here. Add in shipping and it's not worth bothering with I'm sure.
Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
WorldPac sells Idemitsu TLS-LV for under $6/qt if you do a stock order. The folks on oilclub have done some testing beyond a typical VOA and conclude that it is chemically identical to WS:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/28529-idemitsu-atf-type-tls-lv-svezhee/&prev=search
You live in a big city. I'm in the boondocks. Nobody stocks that oil here. Add in shipping and it's not worth bothering with I'm sure.
Find the valvoline maxlife atf it's your cheapest and best option.
Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by Chris142
Originally Posted by Corollaman
I had this same issue, local dealer wants $12.99 a quart for WS. Maxlife says it's compatible with WS either mixing or doing a complete fluid change. I emailed valvoline about this. The viscosity is very similar and I was told it can last a long time. It comes out to $4.50 a quart when you buy the gallon jug at walmart, hard to beat that.
$17.99/qt here from the dealer and that's with my shop discount.
WorldPac sells Idemitsu TLS-LV for under $6/qt if you do a stock order. The folks on oilclub have done some testing beyond a typical VOA and conclude that it is chemically identical to WS:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/28529-idemitsu-atf-type-tls-lv-svezhee/&prev=search
You live in a big city. I'm in the boondocks. Nobody stocks that oil here. Add in shipping and it's not worth bothering with I'm sure.
Find the valvoline maxlife atf it's your cheapest and best option.
Order 3:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
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Originally Posted by The Critic
Order 3:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
$17.97 a gallon maxlife ($4.50 a quart) everyday at Wal-Mart, no need to wait on shipping.
Order 3:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
$17.97 a gallon maxlife ($4.50 a quart) everyday at Wal-Mart, no need to wait on shipping.
Originally Posted by Corollaman
Originally Posted by The Critic
Order 3:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
$17.97 a gallon maxlife ($4.50 a quart) everyday at Wal-Mart, no need to wait on shipping.
Licensing issues aside, it is not the correct fluid for the application.
The car should be using WS or the closest application specific equivalent, such as Idemitsu TLS-LV.
Originally Posted by The Critic
Order 3:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
$17.97 a gallon maxlife ($4.50 a quart) everyday at Wal-Mart, no need to wait on shipping.
Licensing issues aside, it is not the correct fluid for the application.
The car should be using WS or the closest application specific equivalent, such as Idemitsu TLS-LV.
Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by Corollaman
Originally Posted by The Critic
Order 3:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
$17.97 a gallon maxlife ($4.50 a quart) everyday at Wal-Mart, no need to wait on shipping.
Licensing issues aside, it is not the correct fluid for the application.
The car should be using WS or the closest application specific equivalent, such as Idemitsu TLS-LV.
Please eliberate. Because your response makes no sense. It has been beaten to death on here. Manufacturers have bids for ATF's then blenders blend to the manufacturers performance specs. Then blenders make the ATF. Most ATF's are nearly identical with basestocks and additive packages.
You may depart your high horse at anytime.
Originally Posted by Corollaman
Originally Posted by The Critic
Order 3:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F232370783932
$9.50/qt shipped.
$17.97 a gallon maxlife ($4.50 a quart) everyday at Wal-Mart, no need to wait on shipping.
Licensing issues aside, it is not the correct fluid for the application.
The car should be using WS or the closest application specific equivalent, such as Idemitsu TLS-LV.
Please eliberate. Because your response makes no sense. It has been beaten to death on here. Manufacturers have bids for ATF's then blenders blend to the manufacturers performance specs. Then blenders make the ATF. Most ATF's are nearly identical with basestocks and additive packages.
You may depart your high horse at anytime.
Poop! Went to the big Walmart and they do not stock max life at this store! Its 45 min 1 way to the other store.
If you can find it, Pennzoil Platinum LV is also a solid performer at $5.xx/qt and recommended (by Pennzoil) for your application. Walmart generally don't carry it but pep boys and home depot do. I currently use it in a 2012 Honda and like it better than DW1.
WS is specified in the prius; Must be the perfect fluid or Yota would not has used it;
Here it is "protecting" the transmission; it would be interesting to find out if the OP ever had trans issues because it certainly looks not good.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4349195/Toyota_ATF_WS_from_a_PRIUS_V_6
Here it is "protecting" the transmission; it would be interesting to find out if the OP ever had trans issues because it certainly looks not good.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4349195/Toyota_ATF_WS_from_a_PRIUS_V_6
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Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by The Critic
The car should be using WS or the closest application specific equivalent, such as Idemitsu TLS-LV.
Please eliberate. Because your response makes no sense. It has been beaten to death on here. Manufacturers have bids for ATF's then blenders blend to the manufacturers performance specs. Then blenders make the ATF. Most ATF's are nearly identical with basestocks and additive packages.
You may depart your high horse at anytime.
There is a difference with Japanese ATFs like Toyota T-IV/WS and Nissan-Matic S/J/K - frictional coefficients to keep the TCC happy when the PCM/ECU commands it via PWM and shifting.
It's a good idea to stick with OEM fluids during warranty - but all the better "universal" ATFs(MaxLife/VersaTrans/PPLV ATF/Castrol IMV) meet the JASO M315-1A spec which the Japanese OEMs consider acceptable and many Toyotas do fine on MaxLife. Go down to page 102 here, it's a presentation by a Toyota engineer.
http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/2009_DEO_Seminar.pdf
Originally Posted by Toyota engineer at a JASO seminar
The Japanese ATs need genuine parts ATF
or superior ATF in both anti-shudder
durability and frictional characteristics.
And these important properties are specified
in JASO M315
While OEM is best, MaxLife and Castrol IMV to name a few meet the "superior ATF" requirement - and Aisin also sells such a thing in Japan, so does Eneos. I've used MaxLife and Castrol IMV(not the new stuff) with success - except in my parent's Sienna that had a little shift flutter that T-IV resolved and I doubt Valvoline tested it in a hybrid application - while a Toyota/Ford hybrid unit is mostly splash lubricated for the diff/planetary gears for the power-split device and reduction gear, there is a oil pump and circuit that drips ATF onto the electric motors.
Originally Posted by The Critic
The car should be using WS or the closest application specific equivalent, such as Idemitsu TLS-LV.
Please eliberate. Because your response makes no sense. It has been beaten to death on here. Manufacturers have bids for ATF's then blenders blend to the manufacturers performance specs. Then blenders make the ATF. Most ATF's are nearly identical with basestocks and additive packages.
You may depart your high horse at anytime.
There is a difference with Japanese ATFs like Toyota T-IV/WS and Nissan-Matic S/J/K - frictional coefficients to keep the TCC happy when the PCM/ECU commands it via PWM and shifting.
It's a good idea to stick with OEM fluids during warranty - but all the better "universal" ATFs(MaxLife/VersaTrans/PPLV ATF/Castrol IMV) meet the JASO M315-1A spec which the Japanese OEMs consider acceptable and many Toyotas do fine on MaxLife. Go down to page 102 here, it's a presentation by a Toyota engineer.
http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/2009_DEO_Seminar.pdf
Originally Posted by Toyota engineer at a JASO seminar
The Japanese ATs need genuine parts ATF
or superior ATF in both anti-shudder
durability and frictional characteristics.
And these important properties are specified
in JASO M315
While OEM is best, MaxLife and Castrol IMV to name a few meet the "superior ATF" requirement - and Aisin also sells such a thing in Japan, so does Eneos. I've used MaxLife and Castrol IMV(not the new stuff) with success - except in my parent's Sienna that had a little shift flutter that T-IV resolved and I doubt Valvoline tested it in a hybrid application - while a Toyota/Ford hybrid unit is mostly splash lubricated for the diff/planetary gears for the power-split device and reduction gear, there is a oil pump and circuit that drips ATF onto the electric motors.
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I do not believe OEM is the best in all applications.
Will it work? Yes.
Is it the best? Not always; at least that is my experience.
Will it work? Yes.
Is it the best? Not always; at least that is my experience.
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Originally Posted by simple_gifts
WS is specified in the prius; Must be the perfect fluid or Yota would not has used it;
Here it is "protecting" the transmission; it would be interesting to find out if the OP ever had trans issues because it certainly looks not good.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4349195/Toyota_ATF_WS_from_a_PRIUS_V_6
Funny Toyota only cares if it meets their spec at a price point.
WS is specified in the prius; Must be the perfect fluid or Yota would not has used it;
Here it is "protecting" the transmission; it would be interesting to find out if the OP ever had trans issues because it certainly looks not good.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4349195/Toyota_ATF_WS_from_a_PRIUS_V_6
Funny Toyota only cares if it meets their spec at a price point.
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Or
It is a poor DexIII or T-IV replacement, but an upgrade for WS.
I doubt the validity of this statement because every DEXRON application I have used Maxlife in there has been absolutely no difference in performance.
Maxlife is very similar to WS but probably better as it is fully synthetic. T-IV has higher viscosity so in theory Maxlife is poor replacement as it does not meet specs.
Originally Posted by Or
It is a poor DexIII or T-IV replacement, but an upgrade for WS.
I doubt the validity of this statement because every DEXRON application I have used Maxlife in there has been absolutely no difference in performance.
Maxlife is very similar to WS but probably better as it is fully synthetic. T-IV has higher viscosity so in theory Maxlife is poor replacement as it does not meet specs.
Originally Posted by TomRav
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Or
It is a poor DexIII or T-IV replacement, but an upgrade for WS.
I doubt the validity of this statement because every DEXRON application I have used Maxlife in there has been absolutely no difference in performance.
Maxlife is very similar to WS but probably better as it is fully synthetic. T-IV has higher viscosity so in theory Maxlife is poor replacement as it does not meet specs.
What does T-IV shear down to?
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Or
It is a poor DexIII or T-IV replacement, but an upgrade for WS.
I doubt the validity of this statement because every DEXRON application I have used Maxlife in there has been absolutely no difference in performance.
Maxlife is very similar to WS but probably better as it is fully synthetic. T-IV has higher viscosity so in theory Maxlife is poor replacement as it does not meet specs.
What does T-IV shear down to?
Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
I do not believe OEM is the best in all applications.
Will it work? Yes.
Is it the best? Not always; at least that is my experience.
Well, considering that most manufacturers consider their fluid a "lifetime" fluid, and we all know how well that works (since manufactures consider "lifetime" to be the amount of time the warranty is in effect).
And since this thread is over 5 months old, I would guess the OP has already taken care of the change (or at least gotten the fluid), but if your local WM does not carry it, you can order 2 jugs online at have it delivered for free since it is over the $35 price for free 2 day shipping to home.
If you need just 1 jug, you can order 1 for free 2 day shipping to store.
I do not believe OEM is the best in all applications.
Will it work? Yes.
Is it the best? Not always; at least that is my experience.
Well, considering that most manufacturers consider their fluid a "lifetime" fluid, and we all know how well that works (since manufactures consider "lifetime" to be the amount of time the warranty is in effect).
And since this thread is over 5 months old, I would guess the OP has already taken care of the change (or at least gotten the fluid), but if your local WM does not carry it, you can order 2 jugs online at have it delivered for free since it is over the $35 price for free 2 day shipping to home.
If you need just 1 jug, you can order 1 for free 2 day shipping to store.
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