The problem is how much value inside a product is American or not.
Personally when I bought AC oil filters, the ones I looked out for were labelled as Made in the United Kingdom or Made in England.
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The problem is how much value inside a product is American or not.
Personally when I bought AC oil filters, the ones I looked out for were labelled as Made in the United Kingdom or Made in England.
You never bought anything that was labelled as Made in Hong Kong? Never saw Top Gun where the commander is threatening Maverick with being forced to pilot a plane with rubber dog **** from Hong Kong?
Actually there was a rule change last year where things couldn't be labelled as made in Hong Kong any more when sold in the United States.
‘Made-in-Hong Kong’ labels changed to meet Trump’s deadline
Manufacturers prepare new ‘Made-in-China’ labels but indicate factories are in Hong Kong.
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I've heard of some doozies. There was a manufacturing town in Japan called Usa. So it would be labeled as "Made in Usa". There was also a fashion designed in Hong Kong who put on "Made by Chinese" to try and show that his manufacturing wasn't cheap. And then some setting up in the US depency of Saipan, hiring immigrant labor from Asia, and calling it made in USA.
While there is a Usa, Japan, I'm pretty sure your statement about things being made in Usa, Japan being labeled "Made in USA" is false.
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Nope. Not to the best of my knowledge. But then, I've never purchased rubber dog poo and then looked at the bottom of it to see country of origin.You never bought anything that was labelled as Made in Hong Kong? Never saw Top Gun where the commander is threatening Maverick with being forced to pilot a plane with rubber dog **** from Hong Kong?
Actually there was a rule change last year where things couldn't be labelled as made in Hong Kong any more when sold in the United States.
‘Made-in-Hong Kong’ labels changed to meet Trump’s deadline
Manufacturers prepare new ‘Made-in-China’ labels but indicate factories are in Hong Kong.
I've heard of some doozies. There was a manufacturing town in Japan called Usa. So it would be labeled as "Made in Usa". There was also a fashion designed in Hong Kong who put on "Made by Chinese" to try and show that his manufacturing wasn't cheap. And then some setting up in the US depency of Saipan, hiring immigrant labor from Asia, and calling it made in USA.
Oh, and I just googled Usa Japan. The city was founded on April 1, 1967. On March 31, 2005, the towns of Ajimu and Innai were merged into Usa. And nearly 47 percent ($7.2 billion) of parts imports from China came from the “other” category, making up nearly 19 percent of such parts imported into the United States in 2018. https://www.google.com/search?q=per...ade+in+hong+kong&aqs=chrome..69i57.22340j0j7&{google:bookmarkBarPinned}sourceid=chrome&{google:instantExtendedEnabledParameter}{google
mniboxStartMarginParameter}ie=UTF-8Back to topic: I have no problem with parts made anywhere provided they are quality parts. I have issues with LIES on labels and packaging purposely designed to deceive purchasers, as has been well demonstrated by other posters on this thread with photographs.
Well, we’re not really discussing value. We’re discussing place of manufacture.
I heard it more than once, but with variations including “Made in Usa, Japan” with Japan smaller. It could very well have been a myth.
Of course today something being made in Japan is not considered a bad thing.
Actually, "value" (as in the $$$ cost value of components) does factor in to what the "Made in..." label can say too. For example, a cast (metal) part can be made in India or China or wherever, shipped to the US, and multiple machining operations performed to it. In many cases, this item can say "Made in USA" yet many people take issue with using "cheap Chinese steel". In this case, you may never know it's made of cheap Chinese steel.
The fact is that a lot of our food contains components made in China or India where they've build up massive industries. But with many chemicals that quality is actually quite good. I've heard interviews with some American manufacturers who have stated that the manufacturing equipment used in China is more advanced than the stuff they use because they can't afford new equipment.
Steel is something a bit different.
That would say “using parts that are imported from other countries.”
but yes, it’s unfortunate.
about the only things left that's made in the USA are cheeseburgers
The problem with "reputable brand" is you don't know what's "reputable" anymore these days.
In this particular case, I looked at Continental and it also had "China" right on the bearing, and so did ACDelco, Dayco, Four Seasons and Hayden. I even looked at the OE Ford part (6L2Z-6C348-A), which had "Made in Canada" on the box and came with a new washer and bolt. I pulled the washer and bolt off, and it says China right on the bearing again.
I wouldn't be surprised if these are all coming out the same factory with different brand labels being slapped on them down the line. The part itself is exactly the same, regardless of brand. The only thing different is the packaging and price tag.
We, like much of the West, are a consumer economy, and this pandemic has certainly highlighted the dangers of becoming largely dependent on consumption as the single source of economic activity. That's not to say things were very different decades ago post WWII, but we certainly had a more lively manufacturing base and were more self dependent to supply ourselves with what we needed. But the push to move production overseas to cut costs has resulted in exactly what we're seeing here. Yes, we still "assemble" products, but assembling a product with foreign sourced components isn't exactly being self dependent and doesn't classify the end product as "Made in U.S.A." or "Made in Canada" or "Made in the United Kingdom", etc.
I had to replace the fan control module in my car recently. I went with a GATES module. The part itself inside the box had absolutely no markings other than (4) digits stamped in white ink. I had looked online at other "brands" and I know that sometimes pictures are generic but in this case, the parts looked right (size, shape, # of connections, heat sink, etc). None of them had any markings either, just like the Gates. The Nissan (OEM or replacement) part didn't look much different except it did have Nissan's 10-digit part number on it, again just stamped with ink though.
With the maturing of manufacturing in China, you can now gets several levels of price points in Made in China parts. It all used to be cheap junk but now you can get several levels of quality. If you are missing out on this it’s because of changes happening faster than we can keep up with.
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Brand rises and fall.
I still trust Denso and Aisin, but to me Nissan and Jatco have fallen off the Reputable Brand(tm) rank already. The brands you mentioned are probably on their way out if they did a lot of that iffy bearing from China.
The biggest advantage Denso and Aisin have is that they manufacture their own products and have been able to sustain a certain level of quality across the board. Denso does a lot of manufacturing in China too, but they have their own manufacturing facilities under Denso Ten China Ltd. where they have full control, and have no problem labeling it as such.
Brands like ACDelco or Motorcraft, on the other hand, no longer manufacture. They rely on third parties to manufacture products for them and slap a label on it. Supposedly they are made to Ford or GM's "specifications", but using the idler pulley as an example, it's exactly the same product regardless of what brand label is stuck on it.
I just received a new shipment of parts for my Envoy. Although they're all ACDelco branded, ACDelco did not manufacture any of these components.
Thermostat and housing made by Hella Behr in Mexico:
Radiator cap made by TVS in India:
Multi-function/combination switch made by Valeo Niles in Thailand:
Upper and lower radiator hoses made in Brazil. While there are no manufacturer markings on these, I'm assuming these are made by SABÓ since they've been a major GM supplier since the mid '90s:
These are just a few examples.
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