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Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation

Posted By: Oscar1

Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/01/20 11:53 PM

I have a 2015 F150 with the 2.7 ecoboost. I bought it used with 50,000 miles on it. I changed the oil immediately and put in Havoline ProDS 5w-30, and I plan on doing a UOA on it at 4000-5000 miles, which will be soon. I'm trying to decide on what to use next. With the recent thread about using a thicker oil in the 3.5 Ecoboost, I was thinking about trying that. Pennzoil Platinum Euro is currently on sale, so thought about maybe trying that in the 0W-40. It looks like it's SN-plus rated so should work ok in a GDI turbo motor. Other thought was Castrol Edge 5w-30, seems like the Ecoboost motors likes Castrol, at least the 3.5's do.

I won't know about fuel dilution or shearing until I get the UOA done, and not sure this motor suffers from it like the 3.5.

Any advice?
Posted By: tcp71

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 12:10 AM

It’s a hard working engine at 325hp and 400lb/ft of torque. Any 40 weight is fine. Or a 30wt with HTHS at 3.5+.
Posted By: MParr

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 12:33 AM

The Havoline Pro DS 5W30 is perfectly fine for your 2.7 Ecoboost. So would be Mobil 1 original, QSUD. These oils are a little thicker out of the bottle. There are some 5W30 Euro oils that are VW 504.00/507.00 that may be just what you need. They will be a bit pricey. Do 5,000 mile oil changes and you should be fine.
Posted By: jbutch

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 01:00 AM

Rotella Multi-Vehicle 5w-30 worked well in my TGDI, HTHS of 3.5 or more and is also SN+.
Posted By: burla

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 01:07 AM

I'm not sure I would be using 0w40 in turbo direct injection engine, it's not recommended as far as I know in avoidance of lspi. Also moly is an lspi quencher, so if it were me I would look at short swing winter rating to weight oils with high moly and low calcium. Quaker state, RTAG, Amsoil, I do believe are all sn+ with higher than average moly. Might want to keep a short oci on that as well, like 5k mile range.
Posted By: Oscar1

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 01:19 AM

Thanks for the replies. I like the idea of a higher HTHS. Does the VW 504/507 certification ensure a certain HTHS level... higher than a normal 30wt? I looked up the Rotella multi-vehicle and it looks like it is only SN rated, not SN+. I'm sure it would work well though.

I guess I'll know more after the UOA, whether shearing is an issue or not. Just going back and forth now on what to use in the meantime, thicker 30w or go to a 40w
Posted By: Oscar1

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 01:21 AM

Thanks for the advice. I was thinking the PP Euro 0w-40 might be a good fit being SN+, hoping that rating would take care of the lspi issues.
Posted By: burla

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 01:36 AM

With lspi manu's have a real issue they can possibly deny warranty simple on oil choice. At a minimum with direct injection I would look at what oils meet your manu's spec. Good luck with it, Burla
Posted By: jbutch

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Oscar1
Thanks for the replies. I like the idea of a higher HTHS. Does the VW 504/507 certification ensure a certain HTHS level... higher than a normal 30wt? I looked up the Rotella multi-vehicle and it looks like it is only SN rated, not SN+. I'm sure it would work well though.

I guess I'll know more after the UOA, whether shearing is an issue or not. Just going back and forth now on what to use in the meantime, thicker 30w or go to a 40w



I got confirmation that Rotella MV is indeed SN+ from an email I got from Shell, it is also very thick for a 30 weight, almost a 40 weight.
Posted By: Triple_Se7en

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 02:53 AM

Castrol Edge worked real well in my GDI.
Posted By: Gillsy

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 03:58 AM

I've not found anything that I like as much as Magnatec. I've run it in all my vehicles including a 2016, and 2018 F150 with 2.7 eco. I didn't like Edge.
Posted By: Black_Thunder

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 05:01 AM

My brother has a F150 with the 2.7 and we just did the opposite actually, last change put in Magnatec and next time will be going with Havoline Full Syn because its convenient 6 quart box packaging.

Probably stick with either or throughout its life or maybe opt for RGT at some point if there are some sales.


I think the first oil change we did on it after he got it around 16k was Pennzoil Platinum after that switched to Magnatec.


anyways no issues with either or and we'll see how the Havoline goes next time around.
Posted By: double vanos

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 05:38 AM

Going through the UOA section here at bitog shows Magnatec to be a good fit with EB engines. In 5w30 it meets Ford specs too. I used Edge 0w40 in my gen 1 EB but Ford has these things sorted out now and there’s probably no need for thicker oil. Good news is, if you want to go thick, the engine does just fine with it.
5k OCIs are the key.
Posted By: Cujet

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 06:28 PM

I use M1 10W-30 EP in my 2.7EB 4x4 with good results.
Posted By: Brian553

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cujet
I use M1 10W-30 EP in my 2.7EB 4x4 with good results.

+1
If you want something thicker, try mobil 1 high mileage 10w30, or delvac 1 esp
Posted By: BLND1

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/02/20 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Brian553
Originally Posted by Cujet
I use M1 10W-30 EP in my 2.7EB 4x4 with good results.

+1
If you want something thicker, try mobil 1 high mileage 10w30, or delvac 1 esp


Or Havoline 10w30, DELO xle 10w30, pennzoil euro, etc...

I’d be looking for something with an HTHS of 3.5.
Posted By: Oscar1

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/03/20 01:35 AM

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm not sure what I'll end up using yet, I'll for sure post the results after I do the UOA on this current fill. I think I'll eventually end up using something a bit on the thicker side, but for the next oil change I'll go with Castrol Edge 5w-30 as I already have some. I definitely plan on OCI's of 4000-5000 miles, no more than that.
Posted By: Gilstein

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/03/20 02:15 AM

Always did magnatec in mine, same in the wife’s 2.3 ecoboost
Posted By: DavidJones

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/07/20 08:38 PM

The highest mileage 2.7 EcoBoost I'm aware of is a 2016 that's up around 350,000 miles about now. It has had a steady diet of 5w-30 Motorcraft semi-syn when the meter says change it. That's approx every 10,000 miles whether it needs it or not.
I run the same in mine and cut the interval back to around 7500 miles.
I think these things get overthought a good bit.
Posted By: Oscar1

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/08/20 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by DavidJones
The highest mileage 2.7 EcoBoost I'm aware of is a 2016 that's up around 350,000 miles about now. It has had a steady diet of 5w-30 Motorcraft semi-syn when the meter says change it. That's approx every 10,000 miles whether it needs it or not.
I run the same in mine and cut the interval back to around 7500 miles.
I think these things get overthought a good bit.


I think I saw one of your posts on another forum talking about your friends mileage on his 2.7... impressive! I hope I see the same dependability out of mine. You're definitely right, I'm overthinking it a bit, but I wouldn't be on this forum if I wasn't!
Posted By: CT8

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/08/20 01:50 PM

The owners manual is a good start.
Posted By: Navi

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/09/20 01:36 AM

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Posted By: madeej11

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/09/20 07:23 AM

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Just couldn't resist could you? Same old.
Posted By: Navi

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/09/20 09:43 AM

He asked for a suggestion and I think the Europeans are right...throw some 40 in it.
Posted By: jbutch

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/09/20 12:52 PM

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I'm not sure I would go A3/B4 on a TGDI because of the high SAPS content and possible intake valve carbon build up.
Posted By: Triple_Se7en

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/09/20 05:30 PM

That's right jbutch. Some trends to reduce lspi events have taken oils like Castrol Edge to a more extreme recipe (5w30) where Calcium is lowered to around 800 and Magnesium gets pushed upwards to 1400.
If I had a turbo GDI, I wouldn't purchase any oil without the Dexos 1 Gen 2 cert on the label. That helps the engine prevent lspi - stay cleaner and last longer.
Posted By: Oscar1

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/10/20 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
That's right jbutch. Some trends to reduce lspi events have taken oils like Castrol Edge to a more extreme recipe (5w30) where Calcium is lowered to around 800 and Magnesium gets pushed upwards to 1400.
If I had a turbo GDI, I wouldn't purchase any oil without the Dexos 1 Gen 2 cert on the label. That helps the engine prevent lspi - stay cleaner and last longer.

That's a good point. Is the A3/B4 cert guaranteeing the oil is high SAPS? I tried googling it but couldn't find anything definite. What certification indicates a low SAPS OIL?

On the LSPI, I thought any oil meeting SN-plus would help prevent that? The Pennzoil Euro 0W-40 I mentioned earlier is SN-plus rated, but it's also A3/B4. If it is a high saps oil, then maybe I won't consider it.
Posted By: Virtus_Probi

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/10/20 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Oscar1
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
That's right jbutch. Some trends to reduce lspi events have taken oils like Castrol Edge to a more extreme recipe (5w30) where Calcium is lowered to around 800 and Magnesium gets pushed upwards to 1400.
If I had a turbo GDI, I wouldn't purchase any oil without the Dexos 1 Gen 2 cert on the label. That helps the engine prevent lspi - stay cleaner and last longer.

That's a good point. Is the A3/B4 cert guaranteeing the oil is high SAPS? I tried googling it but couldn't find anything definite. What certification indicates a low SAPS OIL?

On the LSPI, I thought any oil meeting SN-plus would help prevent that? The Pennzoil Euro 0W-40 I mentioned earlier is SN-plus rated, but it's also A3/B4. If it is a high saps oil, then maybe I won't consider it.

SOPUS is massively confusing on this oil and SN+...the page for the product family specifically states that SN+ does not apply for the 0W40 Euro.
https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-motor-oils/pennzoil-platinum-euro.html
But, SN+ is all over the PDS itself.
???
It seems likely that A3/B4 oils are probably OK for LSPI due to their higher ZDDP levels, as a little ZDDP goes a long way in preventing LSPI, but I am still a lot more comfortable picking d1G2 oils. If this 0W40 is actually SN+, I would have no problem using it...I used M1 10W30 HM for one OCI when I saw it was SN+, but that was also the one and only oil with which I have had any real signs of consumption.
Before d1G2 went live, I actually bought some ZDDP additive and would add a little bit when I changed the oil...yeah, I'm pretty nuts. That additive has been sitting around unused in my garage since I bought my first d1G2 oil (M1 5W30 AP).
Posted By: jbutch

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/10/20 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Oscar1
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
That's right jbutch. Some trends to reduce lspi events have taken oils like Castrol Edge to a more extreme recipe (5w30) where Calcium is lowered to around 800 and Magnesium gets pushed upwards to 1400.
If I had a turbo GDI, I wouldn't purchase any oil without the Dexos 1 Gen 2 cert on the label. That helps the engine prevent lspi - stay cleaner and last longer.

That's a good point. Is the A3/B4 cert guaranteeing the oil is high SAPS? I tried googling it but couldn't find anything definite. What certification indicates a low SAPS OIL?

On the LSPI, I thought any oil meeting SN-plus would help prevent that? The Pennzoil Euro 0W-40 I mentioned earlier is SN-plus rated, but it's also A3/B4. If it is a high saps oil, then maybe I won't consider it.



A3/B4 has a SAPS content between 0.9-1.6 which is full SAPS.

In my TGDI I favor either Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle 5w-30(ACEA E6 which has HTHS 3.5 and low SAPS), Mobil ESP Formula 5w-30 ( ACEA C3 which has HTHS 3.5 and low to mid SAPS) and lastly for the winter I currently have Pennzoil Euro LX 0w-30 ( ACEA C3 which has HTHS 3.5 and low to mid SAPS).

Of everything listed above, Rotella MV is the only one SN+ rated but the others have 1700 ppm of calcium or less which isn't too bad for LSPI, limit is 1400 ppm.
Posted By: askani79705

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/11/20 04:12 PM

I ran mostly NAPA 5w30 and QSUD in mine. Smooth and quiet.
Posted By: CT8

Re: Ford 2.7 ecoboost recommendation - 01/11/20 06:13 PM

In my 2015 2.7 I have used M1 high mileage, Valvoline full syn High mileage and Quaker state Ultimate all in 5W-30 and the seat Quaker state seemed the smoothest but then I probably have been a victim of the placebo effect..
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