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#3389901 - 06/05/14 03:52 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Clevy]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
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Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx


That doesn't change anything. M1 still doesn't recommend using any additive to their product.


http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx



Come on.

Does any lubricant bottler suggest using oil additives in their products?
Of course not.

I can say with a straight face and without a doubt that I've had very good results in almost every engine using a different branded product,however I don't feel this product is required in new engines.
I'm not knocking lubegard and I'm confident that libricant manufacturers don't always make the best product they can.
They formulate it to a price point to meet minimum specifications as required by the oem.
Can they make a better product,of that I'm sure,but will the public bear the extra cost,probably not.
We can build a better mouse trap but to what cost,especially when the standard mousetrap is good enough,and cheap enough that the buying public doesn't care.
Besides in most cases the engine outlasts the vehicle it's placed in even with less than basic maintenance.
Let's concentrate in making the rest of the car last as long as the engine


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.
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#3389921 - 06/05/14 04:05 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?
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#3389959 - 06/05/14 04:36 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 7622
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?



And Lubegard can research, test, formulate, market, distribute, finance, and produce a product that dramatically improves lubrication and sell said product at a very low cost to the consumer while remaining profitable.
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#3390036 - 06/05/14 06:24 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: FetchFar]
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Is Lubregard (liquid wax ester) at least similar in principle to Prolong (chlorinated paraffin) ???
Where is MolaKule when you need him.?


He's hiding in his crzy La-BORE-a-tory. cool


The liquid wax esters are esters synthesized from rapeseed acids and special alcohols.

They appear to have four advantages:

1. Aid in friction reduction,
2. have low-level anti-wear capabilities
3. aid in cleaning
4. are very stable in terms of resisting hydrolytic degradation.
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#3390340 - 06/06/14 04:41 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dave1251]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 22905
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?



And Lubegard can research, test, formulate, market, distribute, finance, and produce a product that dramatically improves lubrication and sell said product at a very low cost to the consumer while remaining profitable.


Why not? I'm sure that's all factored into the price just like any other company selling a product for a profit.
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#3390367 - 06/06/14 06:12 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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liquid wax ester ?sound a lot like methyl ester,(the bio part in diesel)don't put too much ester anywhere.if you keep it to less the 1% (preferably 0.5 %)and you should be fine.but I tend to agree with mobil.it shouldn't be needed ,the only exeption is the season change ,like from winter to summer or the summer to winter (twice a year)when temperature stay in the minus or when the temp stay in the plus it might be a good idea to put something like this product ,but every week ?nope ,I don't think you need this every week
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#3390576 - 06/06/14 10:49 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: demarpaint]
dave1251 Offline


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Because according to some responses here Lubegard is above making a profit. The sole purpose is to improve lubricants.
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#3390659 - 06/06/14 12:29 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 10518
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?


So you didn't read the article. no-no Dr. Landis is a former employee of XM. Former.


With that said I'm sure he is very knowledgeable in his field. Creating new products to sell.


Edited by tig1 (06/06/14 12:31 PM)
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#3390919 - 06/06/14 05:31 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: yvon_la]
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Registered: 06/05/02
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
...liquid wax ester ?sound a lot like methyl ester,...


Nope, two entirely different esters.
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#3392788 - 06/09/14 08:02 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 4491
Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: tig1

So you didn't read the article. no-no Dr. Landis is a former employee of XM. Former.


With that said I'm sure he is very knowledgeable in his field. Creating new products to sell.


I don't think that makes the point you want it to make. But good try!
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#3393921 - 06/10/14 11:42 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 06/30/11
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Fascinating stuff, never looked at it before. LubeGard makes good stuff, how much is this? I pay 12 bucks for Lubegard Red for my trannies and at those extended intervals believe it is worth it.

Oh and I found it hilarious (and believable) that Lucas made the oil WORSE! LOL
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#3394005 - 06/10/14 01:29 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: KCJeep]
Mystic Offline


Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 8282
Loc: Colorado
The one thing I can say for sure about Lubegard products is that their Lubegard Power Steering Supplement worked for me. Now some here are going to demand scientific proof. I can't provide scientific proof. I don't own a multi-million dollar chemical company. All I know is that Lubegard product stopped a power steering unit from squealing in cold weather. It stopped the problem immediately. That was proof enough for me.

I have used Lubegard Biotech Engine Oil Supplement. It seemed to me that it improved engine performance. Again, some will demand scientific proof. I don't have scientific proof. Just my personal experience which is good enough for me.

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#3394252 - 06/10/14 07:09 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 01/03/03
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mystic, the end result is what is important. who needs scientific proof!
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#3394257 - 06/10/14 07:13 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: boxcartommie22]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 22905
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
mystic, the end result is what is important. who needs scientific proof!


Now that's a loaded question. Read through these threads you'll find out in short order if you haven't done so already. LOL j/k you already know..........
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#3394611 - 06/11/14 08:05 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3709
Loc: SE PA
Those not gullible enough to fall for the hand on the manifold claim. Those people?

Or the "it was like my car was on sport mode....where less application means more output. Let me tell you i put it in sport mode.....could not keep the tires planted!!!!" claim.

Don't know why the same two bring up this "scientific proof" claim. Especially as those two are the only ones who bring it up.


Edited by Trajan (06/11/14 08:07 AM)
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