Run Away KIA

[TFB1]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Oh wow, that's absolutely retarded. Even my old Fox 'stang had a button on the bottom of the column that you had to push up on to get the key into lock/out mode.


Yeah but back when the locking columns first came to be(Mandated on all production as of 1 Jan '70), none I remember seeing had a button to prevent the switch from being turned to lock... Ford didn't have a switch on the clutch to prevent cranking in gear till sometime in the '70s either...

 

[Bladecutter]

Originally Posted By: eljefino

Anyone else notice how the button is not lit? That will be a great thing to fumble for in the dark.


My '07 Nissan Altima 2.5 S had a button that lights up at night.
You can always see where it is.

BC.

 

[Hootbro]

Originally Posted By: eljefino


Anyone else notice how the button is not lit? That will be a great thing to fumble for in the dark.

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Please, Stevie Wonder could find that button in the dark.

If you drive a vehicle long enough, your tactile memory will know where it is without even having to shift your eyes to look for it.

 

[yonyon]

Try a piccolo next time. It's a much more practical size.

 

[Duffman77]

Originally Posted By: TFB1
Ford didn't have a switch on the clutch to prevent cranking in gear till sometime in the '70s either...


Mom's 81 Ford Escort didnt have it either.

 

[Duffman77]

Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: Duffman77

It does allow you to take the keys out so you can leave it running and lock the door while you go into the store without seperating the door key off your key ring, it is handy.


...and gives the car thief a running car. Or if you didn't select Park fully, the selector falls into Reverse and your car runs away from you while you run alongside trying to work that little round headed key in the door.


If a thief was going to brake my window to steal my running car I would prefer he doesnt get to take any keys with him to restart it at some point or get my house keys too.

 

[Spazdog]

IIRC, as long as you did not turn the switch all the way back to the lock position, you could restart it.

I don't know for certain if a GM supplier made pre-Chrysler Jeep lock cylinders, But they would do that. It was definitely very GM styled lock cylinder

In many places, it is against the law to leave your vehicle running unattended

 

[Duffman77]

Originally Posted By: Spazdog


In many places, it is against the law to leave your vehicle running unattended


I recognise this may not be something you will see the need for, its a regional thing, ask any northerner in late January if they want to turn off the car every time they stop for 5 minutes and you will get a pretty solid majority response.

 

[Garak]

I don't know what the regulations are in Alberta, but in Regina, at least, the bylaw permits one to leave a vehicle idling and unattended if the parking brake is engaged. However, idling is forbidden in front of City Hall, of all places.

 

[Duffman77]

Law is at the municipal level. In Edmonton it is a 3 or 5 minutes idle limit, BUT the bylaw is only in effect in certain places. There was also a lot of talk of lower temperature limits but I dont think they got into the final law.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/news/6555803/story.html

 

[Spazdog]

They altered the law here to you cannot leave your keys in a vehicle unattended presumeably so people could cool down their cars with remote starts in the summer. The remove and run GM and Jeeps should be quasi-legal under that circumstance.


Touch the brake pedal and the car dies with most remote starts.

You can drive off with one of the key remove cars. You can't shift out of Park with a remote start vehicle until you insert the key and turn it to "On"

 

[440Magnum]

Originally Posted By: Spazdog
IIRC, as long as you did not turn the switch all the way back to the lock position, you could restart it.

I don't know for certain if a GM supplier made pre-Chrysler Jeep lock cylinders, But they would do that. It was definitely very GM styled lock cylinder

In many places, it is against the law to leave your vehicle running unattended


Yes, its a Saginaw (GM) steering column, including the lock. AMC bought parts from all of the other Big 3 a lot all the way back into the 60s- Chrysler and GM automatic transmissions, Ford starters and carburetors (back in the carb days) etc. Chrysler also used Saginaw columns on a few of their own models with tilt/telescoping option, but on the Jeeps they just stayed with the GM parts AMC had been using. After ~4 years of daily use, I still can't get used to the fact that the door lock cylinders turn the wrong way to unlock on my Cherokees.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
IIRC, as long as you did not turn the switch all the way back to the lock position, you could restart it.

I don't know for certain if a GM supplier made pre-Chrysler Jeep lock cylinders, But they would do that. It was definitely very GM styled lock cylinder

In many places, it is against the law to leave your vehicle running unattended


Yes, its a Saginaw (GM) steering column, including the lock. AMC bought parts from all of the other Big 3 a lot all the way back into the 60s- Chrysler and GM automatic transmissions, Ford starters and carburetors (back in the carb days) etc. Chrysler also used Saginaw columns on a few of their own models with tilt/telescoping option, but on the Jeeps they just stayed with the GM parts AMC had been using. After ~4 years of daily use, I still can't get used to the fact that the door lock cylinders turn the wrong way to unlock on my Cherokees.


Haha, yep. I remember my dad's '85 Cherokee had the GM column. The steering wheel was the same one used in most GM cars such as the G body. Grand Wagoneers were the same way.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Jeep used GM columns in the Wranglers until 1995.

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: eljefino

Anyone else notice how the button is not lit? That will be a great thing to fumble for in the dark.

When I worked at a tire shop we had these newfangled button cars come in. I had to ask another tech how to start one, turns out you also need your foot on the brake. I NEVER have my foot on the brake, it drains the battery needlessly during cranking.

We hashed this to death in the toyota threads last year but "off" should work the same in park or in drive. It's good training for the driver for something to work consistently.


Once the vehicle is running, I think the light on the button itself (above the word ENGINE) stays lit.

Also, seriously, how much of a drain are the brake lights?

 

[Bamaro]

Her Kia almost made her KIA. Never understood why a manufacturer would use that name. Reminds me of Pontiac using Banshee on prototypes years ago and at one point considering using it for the Firebird.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why not...McDonnel-Douglas even used it for the F2H naval fighter!