The ESP X3 is a bit of an exception but they are Euro mid-SAPS.Interesting. I thought the main point of the ESP line was low/mid SAPS.
The ESP X3 is a bit of an exception but they are Euro mid-SAPS.Interesting. I thought the main point of the ESP line was low/mid SAPS.
ESP has 900/990
FS has 930 Phos/1000 Zinc
So ESP would be a "Mid" saps. Not a whole lot different but that's what they call it ESP LOL
Great question & I'd not have a good answer for that. It's amazing how little a formula can be but how majorly different advertising can make it sound like it's a totally different product. Sort of exactly what we see here. One is positioned for emissions while the other is not but yet there is very little difference between them.That's ~3.3% and ~1.0% respectively. Is that really significant (genuine question)?
I was looking at the Lubrizol comparison tool, and while they are different specs, we can see what they require:
ESP 5W-30 and ESP X3 0W-40 both meet MB 229.52, so I put it in the middle. ESP 5W-30 meets the specs up to MB 229.52, and ESP X3 0W-40 from MB 229.52 onward in the table. C40 is stricter in SA than C30, but ESP 5W-30 already meets the stricter MB229.52 in the SA% aspect. So maybe it's something else?
Don't know how accurate but I just dug this one up but it's the FSDoes anyone know what calcium # is in Mobil1 Super Car 0W-40?
There probably will be an update to SP soon.Does anyone have any insight into why the ESP 0W-40 X3 is "only" API SN+, but not API SP? Especially since the ESP 5W-30 is API SP.
Supercar 0w-40 doesn't meet MB 229.52.So, I’ll rope start y’all even more on my birthday. Y’all think I could use 0W-40 Supercar in our AMG GLE 63S instead of 0W-40 European Formula since it meets MB 229.52?!
No, Supercar does not meet any MB specs. None. ESP X3 is probably better and does meet 51/52.So, I’ll rope start y’all even more on my birthday. Y’all think I could use 0W-40 Supercar in our AMG GLE 63S instead of 0W-40 European Formula since it meets MB 229.51?!
Show me where you see that?I actually typed the wrong spec two posts above (now edited). It calls for 229.5*, 229.51.
SP adressess LSPI and timing chain wear by reducing calcium-based detergents to magnesium-based detergents ratio along with eliminating sodium-based detergents from the package. Reducing detergency of the oil is also known to reduce the competition over the metal surface in favor of making ZDDP more effective, thus, reducing wear in several key engine components using different approach. Generally SP oils are more prone to shorter life than SN+ oils but I'm not in position to empirically conclude by how much. However, since both additive packages have lowered ZDDP limits, SP is leaning to higher wear control due to the reason above.Does anyone have any insight into why the ESP 0W-40 X3 is "only" API SN+, but not API SP? Especially since the ESP 5W-30 is API SP.
I thought SN+ was for LSPI, and SP was for timing chain (I might be mistaken though). That being said, according to the following two VOA posts for ESP 5W-30 and ESP 0W-40, they both seem to have similar levels of Ca and Mg. I don't know if the P + Zn levels are within measurement tolerance ranges though, because they do seem a bit higher for ESP 0W-40.SP adressess LSPI and timing chain wear by reducing calcium-based detergents to magnesium-based detergents ratio along with eliminating sodium-based detergents from the package. Reducing detergency of the oil is also known to reduce the competition over the metal surface in favor of making ZDDP more effective, thus, reducing wear in several key engine components using different approach. Generally SP oils are more prone to shorter life than SN+ oils but I'm not in position to empirically conclude by how much. However, since both additive packages have lowered ZDDP limits, SP is leaning to higher wear control due to the reason above.
The 5W-30 linked is the old SN+ formula.I thought SN+ was for LSPI, and SP was for timing chain (I might be mistaken though). That being said, according to the following two VOA posts for ESP 5W-30 and ESP 0W-40, they both seem to have similar levels of Ca and Mg. I don't know if the P + Zn levels are within measurement tolerance ranges though, because they do seem a bit higher for ESP 0W-40.
* https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mobil-1-esp-5w30-voa.361030/
* https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/m1-0w40-esp-x3-dexos-2-voa.350828/
That's why it's so important to feed your gasoline engine SP motor oils having higher quality base oils. Some of the oil additive counts may look anemic with Mobil-1 EP oils and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. But don't be discouraged by it. Higher levels of Natural Gas induction base oils are at play here. We are well protected, despite the lowered oil additive numbers displayed.SP adressess LSPI and timing chain wear by reducing calcium-based detergents to magnesium-based detergents ratio along with eliminating sodium-based detergents from the package. Reducing detergency of the oil is also known to reduce the competition over the metal surface in favor of making ZDDP more effective, thus, reducing wear in several key engine components using different approach. Generally SP oils are more prone to shorter life than SN+ oils but I'm not in position to empirically conclude by how much. However, since both additive packages have lowered ZDDP limits, SP is leaning to higher wear control due to the reason above.
Walmart.comIt seems that Amazon will be the most efficient way to procure M1 0W-40 Super Car. I've not found it at two different auto parts stores or Wal Mart.