Hmmm. Since many seem to think this, I guess I will wait until I go back to Amsoil Euro to try the LM Ceratec additive I have. I don't know, how much ester is too much ester??
Is Red Line the primo oil?
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Some attempt. When I ask for a price:
You respond:
So if it's more than that, what am I to conclude? That I need to know the secret handshake and password, and buy in massive quantities to get the "special price"? But instead informing me of my possible incorrect conclusion, you go into attack mode with:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, AGAIN. But would you stop doing this in the future?
I am sorry for the "attack mode". You are "firm" with Amsoil as you should be. Sometimes I don't see this same stance with other brands, but maybe I miss that.
I guess my other problem is that I take each post as a singularity without context, because I try to read the pages as if I'm a newbie. I knew you were talking about S2K pricing (Reg catalog $9.45 qt each!! (yikes!!!!)) - but I assume that a newbie punching into page 2 wouldn't know what oil, and would think every Amsoil motor oil is more expensive than Redline, which simply is not the case.
Again sorry. See PM
I guess my other problem is that I take each post as a singularity without context, because I try to read the pages as if I'm a newbie. I knew you were talking about S2K pricing (Reg catalog $9.45 qt each!! (yikes!!!!)) - but I assume that a newbie punching into page 2 wouldn't know what oil, and would think every Amsoil motor oil is more expensive than Redline, which simply is not the case.
Again sorry. See PM
Au contraire mon chéri...
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=003187;p=1#000008
...but we'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But remember, you can't use this excuse again.
Good point. IIRC, isn't GC esterized PAOs.
Here is a paragraph from Redline's website:
"Red Line Oil’s team of chemists and blenders formulate fully-synthetic oils and chemically-advanced additives using only the world’s finest base stocks. This makes Red Line Oil the premium product on the shelf. It’s not designed to be the cheapest—it’s built to be the best. Rather than cutting costs by blending into polyalphaolefin base stock for its motor oil, Red Line Oil only uses superior poly ester-based products—resulting in lubricants that are extremely stable at high temperatures while providing superior film strength at lower viscosities where more power can be produced."
According to this, their motor oil is 100% POE based. It is a rather clumsy rhetorical trick on their part, though, to imply that PAO is a lesser base because it is less expensive. That logic doesn't follow. POE might be superior in some ways, for some purposes, but not because it costs more.
Having criticized their advertising because, well, almost all advertising for any product is inherently dishonest in some way, I nonetheless use Redline and think it is fantastic oil. The best, though? Who knows? Not me.
"Red Line Oil’s team of chemists and blenders formulate fully-synthetic oils and chemically-advanced additives using only the world’s finest base stocks. This makes Red Line Oil the premium product on the shelf. It’s not designed to be the cheapest—it’s built to be the best. Rather than cutting costs by blending into polyalphaolefin base stock for its motor oil, Red Line Oil only uses superior poly ester-based products—resulting in lubricants that are extremely stable at high temperatures while providing superior film strength at lower viscosities where more power can be produced."
According to this, their motor oil is 100% POE based. It is a rather clumsy rhetorical trick on their part, though, to imply that PAO is a lesser base because it is less expensive. That logic doesn't follow. POE might be superior in some ways, for some purposes, but not because it costs more.
Having criticized their advertising because, well, almost all advertising for any product is inherently dishonest in some way, I nonetheless use Redline and think it is fantastic oil. The best, though? Who knows? Not me.
I thought the Redline racing oil was the same as the street oil except for a lack of detergents and thinner grades.
You can infer that this phrase means their oils are 100% POE, but it certainly doesn't say that. This phrase has several problems, not the least of which is its grammatical abusrdity. And just what are "poly ester-based products"? If you use nothing but 100% polyol esters, why not just say that unequivocally: "Redline uses only 100% polyol ester base oils."
Here's another quote from the Redline web site: "Red Line's products are unique because they contain polyol ester base stocks, the only lubricants which can withstand the tremendous heat of modern jet engines." See the ambiguity? Does this sentence mean that Redline oils only "contain" POE base stocks? Or does it mean they are made only from POE base stocks?
Contact Redline. Ask the question. See what you get back. You need to read ad copy very, very carefully before you draw any black-and-white conclusions.
Look at it this way. Amsoil/Mobil 1 tout being a PAO based oil. Both have approx. 80% PAO with the rest being esters/AN/additives as stated by Molekule in the past. RL's contains a majority POE basestock with the rest being PAO. RL would clearly market itself as a predominately POE based oil, bc it is. Whether it's 55% or 70% is anyone's guess, but the fact is POE is the "primary" basestock. I would also agree with G-Man in that the racing oils are probably 100% esters.
*ekpolk, I have contacted them and that was what I was told.
*ekpolk, I have contacted them and that was what I was told.
This is what Dave had to say in response to my email inquiry on the subject: "Our primary base stock is the polyol ester, we do use some PAO." That eliminates some of the ambiguity, but certainly not all.
The original question is pretty subjective, but for the most part, I think it's a pricey, but very good product.
The original question is pretty subjective, but for the most part, I think it's a pricey, but very good product.
Hello,
would it be possible to have the percentage of PAO and POE of:
- Silkolene 10w40
- Motul 300v 10w40
- RedLine 10w40
?
Thank you.
would it be possible to have the percentage of PAO and POE of:
- Silkolene 10w40
- Motul 300v 10w40
- RedLine 10w40
?
Thank you.
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