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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5345444 02/09/20 05:17 PM
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I know the OP well, he is a good friend of mine. Without any doubt he checked the part and any numbers on it not just the box.


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5345698 02/09/20 10:33 PM
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Made in Korea, probably by GMB or Hyundai Wia/Mobis. But I doubt Hyundai intentionally makes garbage. But I'm been kinda worried with Motorcraft since I got a dud water pump years ago. FoMoCo sees Motorcraft in the same eye as GM does with ACDelco Professional now.

I installed a Timken wheel bearing that was a reboxed Koyo and it was a dud. It felt notchy after I pressed it in. I had to chew out Amazon on this, the local parts house had a another Timken in stock so I wasn't forced to install a Chinese Moog or Valucraft. But still, I'm inclined to buy OEM Toyota from now on for wheel bearings. Now, the Timken tapered bearings in a friend's Ford are doing just fine - the inner one was made in France, outer was USA.

Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5345749 02/09/20 11:38 PM
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I have replaced many hub bearings over the years. Bad ones in the box do show up. I had one GMB with a bad sensor and 1 National that clicked while rotating right out of the box.


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5345772 02/10/20 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by nobb
Before you go slamming the factory that made these, there is also a possibility it was damaged by the retailer that resold these. Sometimes people buy OEM parts and return a defective part back to the retailer who then restocks it without checking. Or perhaps the part has been sitting too long such that the grease is all dried up. It's really hard to know for certain.

I don't know if Motorcraft would even make their own bearings. Most times they just source from someone else like Timken, SKF, National with very exact specs. eg. The OEM Motorcraft bearings I bought for a Ford Ranger were actually stamped with a Timken logo.


Motorcraft is a re-boxer, they do not have manufacturing facilities. That being said, you are making the assumption that all countries have laws just like the United States and Canada. In Kuwait, you cannot return a part that has been installed, even if it has never been run. If it's new in the box, you get your money back within 30 days, that's all. No exchanges. Receipts for all electrical items are stamped with a great big red "No Returns" stamp, and cannot be returned even if it's faulty out the box, period. The only exception would be buying the part from a dealership and having them install it, which is a great big money generator for them. The chances of somebody buying an OEM part and returning the defective one is near zero - everything gets thoroughly inspected, and if the counter person even thinks it's been installed or used and cleaned up, they do not accept it. Could it have been dropped or mishandled and damaged in transit, maybe. But doing something like switching parts, like they do in Walmart, where they switch an orange can Fram with an Ultra for instance, will land you in jail for shoplifting.

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This ONE part, could just be one defective part. It would be good to determine who really made it instead of just assuming Korea means Timken. The last Timken hub I bought, had Timken, USA, and a production code stamped (may have been laser etched) on the bearing. I know that Ford has sold SKF hubs under your part #, that have SKF stamped into the back of the housing instead of the letter number designation on Timkens I recall.


Your guess would be as good as mine as to who made it. There is nothing stamped into the metal housing, not a manufacturing date, not a manufacturer's name, nothing. Almost looks like a no name rebox if anything. Not to say it's bad quality, that one part could very well be defective, but I would have thought parts manufactured for corporate customers like Ford would be most stingent in the QA department.

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What I bought was either produced to a price point for Ford, or representative of a drop in overall quality of Timken products, as discussed on the board previously.


Or defective, or stored improperly, or counterfeit (buying in Kuwait by way of Dubai it wouldn't surprise me at all if you have a generic part stuffed in a box with the wrong label on it), or you have some other problem that was present before the hub swap and is still present but changed a bit with a new hub in better condition?

I'm not suggesting that assessment is wrong, just that there are other possibilities. I'm as annoyed as anyone when you buy a brand and find something other than expected in the box.


If the part was being bought through a third party seller, counterfeit is a high possibility. But since this was bought from a Ford authorized dealer, it was ordered from Ford Middle East. They have their entire Middle East operations based out of their facilities in Dubai, including an enormous parts warehouse. Counterfeit parts are scrutinized heavily around here by law, and it would be extremely rare to buy it from a dealership.

I did inspect the parts before I paid for them, something I always do and both were identical with no signs of tampering, etc. But again, I can't pull it apart and check the actual bearing inside.

That being said, the original bad bearing was on the driver's side. The passenger side was replaced as a "precautionary" measure, which didn't end up being precautionary at all. smile


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Ws6] #5345774 02/10/20 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ws6
This is what I like about owning a Japanese car. I can buy OEM parts, made in Japan, to OEM spec, that are quality and reliable. American cars have crap from 3rd world countries all strewn through them, even from the factory, and forget buying American replacement parts.


My Fords are older, but the OE replacement parts I have bought for them have not been 3rd world crap. The majority is still US made, including the air intake ducts I recently bought for my two 26 year old trucks, sensors, power steering reservoir caps, etc. A couple things (ignition solenoid I think) have been made in Mexico, but I haven't had any problems because of that. Some parts for the 4.0 V6 still come from Germany since that's where the original suppliers are. Again, these are parts I have bought recently for trucks that are over 25 years old.


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: 01rangerxl] #5345783 02/10/20 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 01rangerxl
My Fords are older, but the OE replacement parts I have bought for them have not been 3rd world crap. The majority is still US made, including the air intake ducts I recently bought for my two 26 year old trucks, sensors, power steering reservoir caps, etc. A couple things (ignition solenoid I think) have been made in Mexico, but I haven't had any problems because of that. Some parts for the 4.0 V6 still come from Germany since that's where the original suppliers are. Again, these are parts I have bought recently for trucks that are over 25 years old.


Interesting you mention this. I was replacing the thermostat housing on my 4.0L SOHC with an all-aluminum unit, and decided to replace all cooling system parts while I was at it. Although it's low mileage, the parts are 21 years old. All the hoses I bought were made in Poland, the two coolant sensors were made in the U.S. and their clips made in the U.K. The water pump was made in Germany, and the plastic fan and fan clutch were made in the U.S.


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: buck91] #5345791 02/10/20 01:26 AM
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I have had good luck with timkens and my employer makes seals for them in NH. I think timken has a huge factory in nc or sc.

Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5345798 02/10/20 01:36 AM
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Every motorcraft bearing that i bought was SKF.

strange.


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5345817 02/10/20 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Falcon_LS

They have a dealership policy of no returns on special order items, which, believe it or not, this was.


That only applies to good parts, being returned for stock.

Your part is BAD..... they should honor your return for a refund (or at least an exchange)


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5346016 02/10/20 10:56 AM
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I bought a Motorcraft hub/bearing for my Ranger about 2 months ago. The box said it was made in China. The old (factory) bearing I removed had "Timken" stamped on it with some numbers. The new one did not have any manufacturer, or any numbers whatsoever stamped on it. I've put several hundred miles on it so far; time will tell how long it lasts.


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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5346112 02/10/20 12:36 PM
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“Mazda shares platforms and drivelines with Ford and Toyota, Mitsubishi is allied with Fiatsler and Hyundai in GEMS and platform shares with Chrysler.

Camry, Accord, Frontier, several Acuras, Civic, Tacoma - all are made in the US and the list goes on and on. Here's a list of all the Japanese cars made in the US as of 2017: https://www.businessinsider.com/all-the-japanese-cars-made-in-the-usa-2017-
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Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: PimTac] #5346138 02/10/20 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Mitsubishi is allied with Fiatsler and Hyundai in GEMS and platform shares with Chrysler.


FCA has no involvement with Mitsu or Hyundai anymore - GEMA is now under FCA control but those engines are still tailored to the former partner's needs.

FCA, however does buy a few things from Hyundai.

Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5348091 02/12/20 01:25 PM
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GM is even worse with their hub assembly's aka wheel bearings made in China!!!! todays cars are a crap shoot + all the unnecessary trinkets many buyers want makes things even WORSE!!!!

Re: FORD Replacement Wheel Bearing Garbage Right Out the Box [Re: Falcon_LS] #5348646 02/13/20 12:22 AM
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We usually have good luck with the replacement hub bearings. I have to make a mental note tomorrow to check stock at my work. I thought I saw one either on the shelf or in our obsolescence parts area (2 years with no movement).


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