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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115709
05/25/19 06:40 PM
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extremely generic question.

Would I buy a 5 year old CPO BMW, no

plenty of vehicles I wouldnt buy used.. a 2-3 year old subaru goes for the same as new.. not worth the hassle to save $1000 and you have to pay full sales tax vs sales tax on the amount after trade in value

I'd consider a 3 year old kia soul thats at 50% of msrp. etc.


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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Rand] #5115713
05/25/19 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rand
a 2-3 year old subaru goes for the same as new.. not worth the hassle to save $1000


I'd like to know where I can sell 2-3 year old Subarus for the price of new ones. I'll be rich.

Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Rand] #5115715
05/25/19 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rand
plenty of vehicles I wouldnt buy used.. a 2-3 year old subaru goes for the same as new.. not worth the hassle to save $1000 and you have to pay full sales tax vs sales tax on the amount after trade in value

Exactly; it's really not very simple. Some vehicles, you can get a good deal on used, and some you can't. I'd "like" to buy every vehicle I find interesting, but there's only so much time and money, and an interesting old Benz diesel, for example, back when new would have been far out of my price range, particularly since for some of them, I was a toddler when they were released, so if I want to try one, it certainly will be used.

There always is the risk of someone else's problem. There are also people who simply get bored of their vehicles, take meticulous care of them, and trade them off or sell them very regularly.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115723
05/25/19 06:59 PM
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Vehicles are pro-rated. Period, end of story.


More interestingly, on a cost per mile basis, a well purchased new vehicle, kept for a good portion of it’s lifespan, may not be more than a few cents per mile (3-5) more than a comparable used vehicle.

With few exceptions (notably some GM high depreciation models) the days of getting a used car for 40% less than new, with less than 40% of it’s useful life “used up” are behind us. Once repairs, tires, brakes, and required services are taken into account.




The IRS currently lists cost per mile at 58 cents. That’s not far off the average.

Last edited by Cujet; 05/25/19 07:06 PM.

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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115738
05/25/19 07:15 PM
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The most satisfying car buys for me are 1 senior owned near luxury types, older but with very low miles. 3 Buick’s and 1 Lincoln over the years so far. All were decent cars, but all needed minor things like tires or struts/shocks etc. The depreciation from new was huge, so it made the initial repairs worthwhile.


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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Cujet] #5115745
05/25/19 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujet
Vehicles are pro-rated. Period, end of story.


More interestingly, on a cost per mile basis, a well purchased new vehicle, kept for a good portion of it’s lifespan, may not be more than a few cents per mile (3-5) more than a comparable used vehicle.

With few exceptions (notably some GM high depreciation models) the days of getting a used car for 40% less than new, with less than 40% of it’s useful life “used up” are behind us. Once repairs, tires, brakes, and required services are taken into account.
The IRS currently lists cost per mile at 58 cents. That’s not far off the average.


You've written similar things before and I think you're right.
When you buy something new, you get to use it for the first and best 100K of its life with nothing more required than fluid changes, a set of brakes and a set of tires.
New vehicles are quite inexpensive for those with the wit to shop and negotiate and cheap or free financing abounds on these new rides, especially for those who don't really need financing.
There are no significant savings to reap in most used car buys, although the shop and negotiate rule still applies and can yield the occasional bargain.


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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Imp4] #5115748
05/25/19 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Imp4
There are people around that will adopt almost any point of view.
You empower them when you react to their position, no matter what it may be.

If you truly disagree with someone else's position, it's best to treat them respectfully and move on.


Abso-freaking-lutely!


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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Rand] #5115752
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Originally Posted by Rand
extremely generic question.

Would I buy a 5 year old CPO BMW, no

plenty of vehicles I wouldnt buy used.. a 2-3 year old subaru goes for the same as new.. not worth the hassle to save $1000 and you have to pay full sales tax vs sales tax on the amount after trade in value

I'd consider a 3 year old kia soul thats at 50% of msrp. etc.


Got my '15 in the fall of '17 for $15575, with ~30k miles. MAJOR savings!

Everyone who impulsively purchases, be it used, new, CPO, will have a higher likelihood of failure. Those who purchase when they WANT to will likely see an increased level of success.

This ain't rocket surgery, folks!


'14 Forester XT FA20DIT (Cobb Stage 1)
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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115755
05/25/19 07:36 PM
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I buy new when 0% financing is going on then roll them 120k-140k / 8 years, then go get another new one. Simple.
At 67 yrs old I realize that in 8 years I’m liable to be dead so if that’s the case my current new car is my last ha ha.


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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115784
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If you are paying cash then who cares. Otherwise I concur financially poor decision to buy brand new with a depreciating asset financed.

The comical thing to me is people worried about a used car. Yet what are 95% of people driving but used cars .

Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115788
05/25/19 08:13 PM
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2016 300: got the window sticker price and it was $40,000. I paid $23k in 2018.

2018 Grand Caravan: bought in 2019 for $19k with FCA’s 7 year 100k mile CPO warranty, which is better than their new Powertrain warranty!

I want a new car, but for a daily knowing that depreciation hit is there doesn’t sit well with me.

Last edited by Skippy722; 05/25/19 08:14 PM.

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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115845
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Both Camrys were CPOs They have been fine so far.My wife bought both of them. grin2


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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: double vanos] #5115853
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Originally Posted by double vanos
I buy new when 0% financing is going on then roll them 120k-140k / 8 years, then go get another new one. Simple.
At 67 yrs old I realize that in 8 years I’m liable to be dead so if that’s the case my current new car is my last ha ha.



Must be a weird feeling.


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Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: Speak2Mountain] #5115867
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I've bought 5 CPO BMWs; I've been very happy with each one- and currently have two. Depreciation is my friend.


Mine:
2014 M235i
2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i M Sport


Son's
2009 328i

Buy what makes you smile...
Re: Are there still ppl around who refuse to buy used or CPO vehicles [Re: demarpaint] #5115873
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ditto


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