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Engine burning oil. What to do? #4686249
03/06/18 01:32 PM
03/06/18 01:32 PM
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Jeff999 Offline OP
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I have a 1997 Toyota Tercel with 280k original miles. I've been monitoring the number of miles that it burns one quart of 10W-30 conventional oil for a while. The manufacturer's recommended oil is 5W-30, but it burns 5W-30 way too fast. My results have been highly variable, but I still think the data is useful. The level in the oil pan was not the same for all measurements which may have contributed to the inconsistent results. Oil consumption may increase as the oil level in the pan decreases.

From 184k miles to 247k miles I got five results and they varied from 1200 to 2200 miles per quart burned. The measurement I got at 251k and 252k showed that it burned a quart in 900 miles for both results, so something happened to the engine at that point. I have done compression tests myself after 252k miles, and the compression readings were good. So I guess something happened with the valves at that point maybe with their seats. The compression tests were not entirely trustworthy because the compression gauge needle would never peak with both of the gauges I used, i.e., as long as I cranked the engine the needle would continue climbing for some strange reason. But somehow the readings for all the cylinders were very close and within spec, and after several minutes the needle did not drop so there was no leaking. Because of the increase in oil burning after 251k miles I started using Lucas Oil Stabilizer at 40% concentration. The LOS did reduce the oil burning. At 262k, 265k, and 280k miles I got 1669, 1968, and 1627 miles per quart of oil burned respectively.

Lucas Oil Stabilizer is not popular on this forum, so what should I do about the oil consumption? Should I continue using the 10W-30 untreated and burn a quart every 800-900 miles? 5W-40 oil is controversial for several reasons especially for engines designed to use 5W-30, so should I try 10W-40 untreated? I recently started using Castrol High Mileage 10W-30 which does not seem to have made much difference. I'm not willing to have any serious engine work done because I will have the engine replaced for under $1000 with a used one from Japan that has 30-40k miles on it or pay a little more to have the engine rebuilt before spending several hundred dollars for serious engine repairs.

Thanks for any replies.

Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686254
03/06/18 01:36 PM
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Skip the Lucas. Next oil change go with Valvoline Maxlife which may help. It all depends on how your engine is burning the oil, whether via the valve seals or rings or other.


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Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686258
03/06/18 01:38 PM
03/06/18 01:38 PM
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Olathe, KS
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If it was my car, I'd try some 15w40 Rotella next time.


2004 Toyota 4Runner | 182k | Castrol GTX HM 5w-30, PH8A
2012 VW Passat | 86k | PPHM/Redline 5w-30, XG9911
1997 Honda Civic HX | 217k | Redline 5w-30, XG3593a
Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686264
03/06/18 01:42 PM
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Get one quart of whatever ester based oil (usually motocycle) and use that at next OCI...

Esters will recondition your (valve) seals and will also clean your gunk out of your engine...Maybe even loosen gunk around your oil rings

Last edited by Kamele0N; 03/06/18 01:43 PM.

2008 Toyota Yaris 1ND-TV 1.4 D4-D Elf FullTech FE 5w30
1997 Toyota Landcruiser KZJ95 3.0 TD Shell Rimula R6M 10w40
Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686265
03/06/18 01:43 PM
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Not much you can do but continue to check oil level and top off.

Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686266
03/06/18 01:44 PM
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Ditch the Lucas stuff.
Change the oil and filter and put some Valvoline Maxlife 10W-40 in it, it's well known for reducing consumption quite well.

You could try replacing the valve stem seals, they harden up overtime and no longer seal, i did that to one of my cars and it went from drinking 20W-50 to not burning a drop.
Replace the PCV Valve aswell.


1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Shell Helix HX3 20W-50 w/ 20% Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.
1988 Ford Escort XR3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.


Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686277
03/06/18 01:51 PM
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perhaps try a non resource conserving 10w30
Such as Mobil 1 high mileage 10w30?
It sits a little on the thicker side of the 30 range
And is a bit more robust with a HTHS rating of 3.5

Pennzoil platinum high mileage, quaker state hi mi, pennzoil hi mi,
valvoline maxlife, and maxlife full syn are all resource conserving now

$26 at walmart and a $12 REBATE going on right now....m1 hi mi comes out cheaper
Than maxlife syn blend.

Just a suggestion...

I also noticed my camry is designed to run on 5w30
In the USA but in other countries 20w50 oil on same engine
Is acceptable. I would give a xw40 a go.
Or that thick M1 himi 10w30


04 Camry 2az-fe 209k
M1 5w30
PremiumGuard filter
Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686288
03/06/18 02:02 PM
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you might have a issue where changing oil will do nothing. if that the case keep driving till it dies. oil is cheap. my sub with 285k is the same. it runs great and still get good gas mileage, but it sucks oil.

Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686296
03/06/18 02:05 PM
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21 years old and almost 300K, either run a 15w40 or 20w50 or swap the engine if the car is worth it and you need/want to keep it.
Personally I cant see as the rest of the car has a lot of years and miles but to each their own. I would seek out a replacement car and let this one die in peace.

2cents


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Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686301
03/06/18 02:16 PM
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You could have failing valve stem seals. If so you should notice a bit of smoke on start up. They're fairly easy (and shouldn't be too expensive) to replace.

Or you could have a failed PCV valve. I'd suggest you replace it unless it's almost new.

Or your rings could be worn or carboned up. Nothing helps worn rings except replacement, but an "Italian tune up" and possibly some oils (as suggested by other writers) might get rid of some of the carbon. It's worth a try.

And a heavier weight xW-30 or xW-40 weight oil should help. I'd try Castrol 0W-30, a good heavy 30 weight oil (or Castrol 0W-40).

Finally, a quart of oil in 1000 miles isn't all that bad. If none of the above suggestions help, just keep an eye on the oil level and add oil as necessary.


2000 BMW 528i 5MT
2007 Honda Accord EX-L 4Door V6 6MT
Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686313
03/06/18 02:35 PM
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My bosses Jeep was drinking 15w40. Last time I changed it I put sae40 in it. Have not had to add any oil since. Try a straight weight in it.


02 Wrangler carlube 5w30
87 F250 traveler 15w40
07 fjcruiser Chevron 10w30
Z400 castrol T 10w40
Can am maveric edge 5w40
57 case tractor 15w40
Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: CARJ] #4686322
03/06/18 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: CARJ
If it was my car, I'd try some 15w40 Rotella next time.

Bingo Bango. Buy a 2.5 gallon jug and keep it topped up.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686326
03/06/18 02:50 PM
03/06/18 02:50 PM
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Good on you for your measurements, and willingness to try stuff out.

But if it was me, I'd just keep checking the oil and keep it topped off. Cheaper than a new car payment! Assuming it's not PCV or leaks; not sure how hard it is to change valve seals on this engine.

New cars are allowed to burn up to a quart every 1,500 miles so you might not do better even you did buy new.


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 179k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 146k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 202k, his
Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686359
03/06/18 03:12 PM
03/06/18 03:12 PM
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So if the Lucas cut the motor's oil consumption in HALF, and it's has over 280,000 miles on it. Why would you stop using it? Seems like the product did exactly what it's supposed to do. Using Lucas in any newer car seems dubious. but f it keeps a 280k mile Toyota on the road and the guy behind you fog-free and conscious. Why not?

Re: Engine burning oil. What to do? [Re: Jeff999] #4686363
03/06/18 03:15 PM
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Haven't you got your moneys worth out that old Tercel yet?


2004 Corolla 129932
Out: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 7156 Miles
In: Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 Purolator PureOne 3-14-19 129693
2006 Duramax 74725
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
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