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#4609417 - 12/20/17 03:07 PM Fram ultra XG8A Defect
littleant Offline


Registered: 10/10/17
Posts: 388
Loc: Vermont
Hi first let me say this is not a bash against Fram or the ultra filter. I have an XG2 on my
2010 mountaineer and will continue to use them. Went to Walmart today to pick up a filter for my 02 jeep and wanted the longer version filter xg8a. I always check the filters before and beings the frams are taped shut I get a store manager and tell him I want to check the filter first because its a 50 mile round trip for me. There were 3 filters I opened the box and the filter had no damage to the can or the box. I then shook the filter and the cartridge was loose and moved up an down and side to side. The manager said it should not make that noise should it and I told him it was defective. I opened another and that one looked good with no noise. Only one left so we opened it and the filter looked good no can damage but the cartridge moved up and down but not as much as the first one. Guys there were no numbers on the filter's that I could write down. The xg2 has numbers and arrows shows the direction to turn the filter. The xg8a had nothing. So I wrote down the CPU code from the box 009100026071 and a second number on the box 100023611 but I do not believe these numbers will help. Also the box stated 15,000 miles. I didn't have a flashlight to look down inside the filter but I can not be certain if I saw a bypass valve but I did see the leaf spring. The reason I posted this was to give a heads up that the filters from all brands should be checked before purchase or after purchase before leaving the store. I still believe the Fram ultra is the best if not one of the best for quality and price. But stuff happens. Oh yea I ended up buying a motorcraft for 3.50. I Will get the Fram when more come in. Should this filter have numbers on it to show lot number and production date???
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#4609442 - 12/20/17 03:40 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
ZeeOSix Offline


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Yep, any filter should be checked before buying or using.

There should have been a date code etched on the can, but there was a period of time when the date code on Ultras was missing. I posted a thread about that quite a while ago.

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#4609641 - 12/20/17 07:44 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
Pajero Offline


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The devil is in the details! Great idiom, and true!




Respectfully,

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#4609736 - 12/20/17 09:46 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
aquariuscsm Offline


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Someone here posted a video of this same thing a few years ago.
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#4609780 - 12/20/17 10:43 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
Run Offline


Registered: 06/07/15
Posts: 717
Loc: Canada
Filters must have been dropped hard during shipping.
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#4609946 - 12/21/17 08:24 AM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
goodtimes Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 2858
Loc: california
If the leaf spring could be seen, the end cap is missing. Unless talking about the leaf where it goes through the end cap hole.
The leaf spring seems more of a retainer, not a lot of spring travel like a coil spring. If in manufacturing the leaf was pushed past it's limit, it would bend out of shape and then leave a gap. How else could a filter element get loose except if the retainer is faulty? Automated machinery goofed and no leaf spring put in?

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#4610046 - 12/21/17 09:43 AM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 6003
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
WOW! Another FU problem story? Hmmmm, seems like the GOLDEN CHILD of automotive oil filters is starting to get a bad reputation. Looks like those defective Purolators on the shelf better move over and make room for the FU's!
shocked

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#4610061 - 12/21/17 10:06 AM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 7671
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
WOW! Another FU problem story? Hmmmm, seems like the GOLDEN CHILD of automotive oil filters is starting to get a bad reputation. Looks like those defective Purolators on the shelf better move over and make room for the FU's!
shocked
I always shake mine, BEFORE I run them for multiple OCIs! crackmeup Seriously, I've run multiple XG8As (and other Ultras), and I've yet to see this problem-I remember somebody had one with a collapsed leaf spring from being dropped, causing a loose element-that leaf spring is perhaps one of the Ultra's 2 weaknesses-the other being a thin can.
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#4610076 - 12/21/17 10:24 AM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
mcwilly Offline


Registered: 07/31/17
Posts: 98
Loc: Canada
As popularity goes up so will reported issues, based on sheer volume. Keep it up, this is how quality control works.
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#4610077 - 12/21/17 10:25 AM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
mcwilly Offline


Registered: 07/31/17
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Loc: Canada
As popularity goes up so will reported issues, based on sheer volume. Keep it up, this is how quality control works.
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#4610259 - 12/21/17 01:39 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: bullwinkle]
aquariuscsm Offline


Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 18173
Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
WOW! Another FU problem story? Hmmmm, seems like the GOLDEN CHILD of automotive oil filters is starting to get a bad reputation. Looks like those defective Purolators on the shelf better move over and make room for the FU's!
shocked
I always shake mine, BEFORE I run them for multiple OCIs! crackmeup Seriously, I've run multiple XG8As (and other Ultras), and I've yet to see this problem-I remember somebody had one with a collapsed leaf spring from being dropped, causing a loose element-that leaf spring is perhaps one of the Ultra's 2 weaknesses-the other being a thin can.


This is what I wonder,why does Fram use such a thin can?
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#4610314 - 12/21/17 02:25 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17786
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
WOW! Another FU problem story? Hmmmm, seems like the GOLDEN CHILD of automotive oil filters is starting to get a bad reputation. Looks like those defective Purolators on the shelf better move over and make room for the FU's!
shocked

Has a long way to catch up to all those Purolator & Motorcraft problems. wink

BTW, the can thickness isn't any less than 90% of the other filters on the market. People have measured to compare.

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#4610441 - 12/21/17 05:24 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: mcwilly]
littleant Offline


Registered: 10/10/17
Posts: 388
Loc: Vermont
Originally Posted By: mcwilly
As popularity goes up so will reported issues, based on sheer volume. Keep it up, this is how quality control works.
+1 It happens. The filter box was marked 15,000 miles the filters had no markings. I will continue using the ultra but I will always check first.
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#4610446 - 12/21/17 05:30 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: goodtimes]
littleant Offline


Registered: 10/10/17
Posts: 388
Loc: Vermont
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
If the leaf spring could be seen, the end cap is missing. Unless talking about the leaf where it goes through the end cap hole.
The leaf spring seems more of a retainer, not a lot of spring travel like a coil spring. If in manufacturing the leaf was pushed past it's limit, it would bend out of shape and then leave a gap. How else could a filter element get loose except if the retainer is faulty? Automated machinery goofed and no leaf spring put in?
Goodtime the part I was seeing would be where the bypass valve is. If the leaf spring or retainer came loose I should have heard that rattling???. This was at the very bottom of the cup.
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#4610455 - 12/21/17 05:38 PM Re: Fram ultra XG8A Defect [Re: littleant]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17786
Loc: PNW
Fram's website shows the XG8A having a bypass valve. The bypass valve is built into the leaf spring. It's easy to see the round button of the bypass valve by looking down the center tube. Maybe the whole leaf spring was missing ... ?

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