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Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete #4557558
10/28/17 05:41 PM
10/28/17 05:41 PM
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Merkava_4 Offline OP
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I think they are. I don't know why you guys continue to buy them.

They have skinny little pleats and most the time come out crooked.

Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557562
10/28/17 05:43 PM
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I doubt they are obsolete. Plenty of cars had paper pleated oil filters for years and still use them without issue


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Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557572
10/28/17 05:48 PM
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Very scientific analysis, thanks for the that. Now inform all the automakers that use cellulose media OFs off the assembly line. I'm sure they'll change immediately.

Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Sayjac] #4557577
10/28/17 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Very scientific analysis, thanks for the that. Now inform all the automakers that use cellulose OFs off the assembly line. I'm sure they'll change immediately.


LOL I'm just telling you guys how I feel. Speaking from the heart here. grin2

Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557580
10/28/17 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I think they are. I don't know why you guys continue to buy them.

They have skinny little pleats and most the time come out crooked.


Merk take the red pills man those blue ones have obviously stopped working if you need to troll.


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Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Rand] #4557587
10/28/17 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rand
Merk take the red pills man those blue ones have obviously stopped working if you need to troll.


LMAO! crackmeup

Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557596
10/28/17 06:05 PM
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Ironic coming from Mr. 10W-30.


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Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557603
10/28/17 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I think they are. I don't know why you guys continue to buy them.

They have skinny little pleats and most the time come out crooked.


It seems at best they only filter at 95% and at lower micron level. Your oil is as clean as your filter keeps it. Are you trying to extend your OCI with cleaner oil or expose your engine to more dirt over a longer period that's the choice.

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 10/28/17 06:12 PM.

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Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: simple_gifts] #4557610
10/28/17 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Ironic coming from Mr. 10W-30.


10w-30 not so bad in fact a lot of 10w-30 oil is thinner than Mobil 1 5w-30.


2004 Corolla 126884
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557637
10/28/17 06:32 PM
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How long before we have synthetic coffee filters? Is paper that obsolete?


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Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557641
10/28/17 06:37 PM
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If non-paper oil filters had a place in the market they'd be there, now.

Treated paper filters for air and oil work well and are cost-effective.

There are lots of engines of all kinds that use filters and a substitute filter that would fill the bill would be a heck of a product worth more than a small fortune.

There have been lots of attempts to replace the treated paper filter but none have succeeded on any kind of worthwhile scale.

Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Rand] #4557658
10/28/17 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I think they are. I don't know why you guys continue to buy them.

They have skinny little pleats and most the time come out crooked.


Merk take the red pills man those blue ones have obviously stopped working if you need to troll.


merk doesn't take pills on the weekend.when he starts a thread such as this,he just wants someone to talk to.
fire up another one, merk, and go and enjoy the ball game.


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Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: Merkava_4] #4557664
10/28/17 06:50 PM
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Trees, any plant, will be filtering molecules through their structures long after humans are extinct. Mobil 1 uses a blend. They don't have to. Cellulose has advantages, synthetic fibers have theirs. I from my heart believe cellulose to be the far more complex material. Synthetic fiber is like kid stuff in comparison. Good fishing. laugh

Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: otis24] #4557669
10/28/17 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: otis24
How long before we have synthetic coffee filters? Is paper that obsolete?

A very long time. Paper filters absorb bitter oils in the coffee. wink


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Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: Paper Oil Filters Are Obsolete [Re: goodtimes] #4557674
10/28/17 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Trees, any plant, will be filtering molecules through their structures long after humans are extinct. Mobil 1 uses a blend. They don't have to. Cellulose has advantages, synthetic fibers have theirs. I from my heart believe cellulose to be the far more complex material. Synthetic fiber is like kid stuff in comparison. Good fishing. laugh

+1 Cellulose has advantages, however super long life is not one of them.


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