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#2956075 - 03/30/13 12:35 AM Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best?
sprintman Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 11006
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
Pablo
Any changes since I ordered that last lot from you?

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#2956216 - 03/30/13 07:48 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
motor_oil_madman Online   content


Registered: 11/29/09
Posts: 4234
Loc: Houston, Texas
I looked at the website. Why did they change them? They use to be 98.7% efficient at 15 microns. Now it's 20? [censored]?
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#2956253 - 03/30/13 08:22 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
147_Grain Offline


Registered: 03/11/13
Posts: 1945
Loc: USA
Glad I have a case of the older more efficient filters.

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#2956307 - 03/30/13 09:10 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Doog Offline


Registered: 10/24/11
Posts: 6170
Loc: North Coast
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
I looked at the website. Why did they change them? They use to be 98.7% efficient at 15 microns. Now it's 20? [censored]?


Same as Fram rock catchers....which is why I like Fram...sooner or later every manufacturer starts to copy Fram. LOL
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#2956309 - 03/30/13 09:12 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
joaks Offline


Registered: 12/28/10
Posts: 842
Loc: San Diego, CA
Does anyone know why they changed? I hadn't been paying attention.
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#2956313 - 03/30/13 09:15 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47175
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Same extended drain media. Amsoil has moved away from Wix as an assembly house for certain filters and now uses Champ.

The changes the guys are talking about occurred several years ago when certain Honda/Toyota filters became too restrictive during extended drains. This was beaten to death by the haters here. One guy predicted thousands of dead engines and Amsoil failing and going out of business. Of course, none of these things happened.

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#2956353 - 03/30/13 09:48 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Doog]
HerrStig Offline


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9560
Loc: Boston, MA
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
I looked at the website. Why did they change them? They use to be 98.7% efficient at 15 microns. Now it's 20? [censored]?


Same as Fram rock catchers....which is why I like Fram...sooner or later every manufacturer starts to copy Fram. LOL
The Chinese "dollar each" drippy lube specials do anyway.

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#2956616 - 03/30/13 02:07 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: HerrStig]
motor_oil_madman Online   content


Registered: 11/29/09
Posts: 4234
Loc: Houston, Texas
So are do the filters only filter at 20 microns or 15? Now it says 20 on the website.
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#2956798 - 03/30/13 05:01 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
martinq Offline


Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 1041
Loc: ON, Canada
The website clearly states "98.7 percent at 20 microns" so I would accept that number. It will also have an efficiency at 15u and 10u but we won't know what those are unless it is published.

This is effectively the same as Frams' Ultra/Synthetic which is 99% at 20u.

http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/filters-and-by-pass-systems/oil/amsoil-ea-oil-filters/

http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter?select_region=1

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#2956970 - 03/30/13 08:39 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: martinq]
motor_oil_madman Online   content


Registered: 11/29/09
Posts: 4234
Loc: Houston, Texas
i wonder what they chnged cause i have three amsoil filters that say 98.7% at 15 microns
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#2957232 - 03/31/13 03:15 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
i wonder what they chnged cause i have three amsoil filters that say 98.7% at 15 microns

Likely changed once someone else started making them.
I think its a step in the wrong direction not having wix make all their filters. Looks like napa golds for me.
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#2957289 - 03/31/13 06:50 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Clevy]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47175
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
i wonder what they chnged cause i have three amsoil filters that say 98.7% at 15 microns

Likely changed once someone else started making them.
I think its a step in the wrong direction not having wix make all their filters. Looks like napa golds for me.


The change from Wix had nothing to do with the media. Wix never made all the filters anyway. Napa gold filters are fine, but they don't have the same Donaldson media that the Amsoil filters use.

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#2957556 - 03/31/13 11:01 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
V8man Offline


Registered: 02/11/13
Posts: 206
Loc: Maryland
I have used the Amsoil Synthetic Media Oil Filters and they are a quality product. I know many people who do extended drains and they are happy with these oil filters.

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#2957726 - 03/31/13 02:02 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: V8man]
147_Grain Offline


Registered: 03/11/13
Posts: 1945
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: V8man
I have used the Amsoil Synthetic Media Oil Filters and they are a quality product. I know many people who do extended drains and they are happy with these oil filters.


Amen!

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#2965818 - 04/08/13 03:44 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Pablo]
fpracha Offline


Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 555
Loc: MA
Hi Pablo!
Exactly why did the previous Amsoil filters for "certain Honda/Toyota" ... "became too restrictive during extended drains. ..."

At what intervals will these previous Amsoil filters still not become "too restrictive" ?

In closing, even if the Amsoil filter has become too restrictive, will it start releasing "previously trapped dirt etc." into the engine OR will it just affect fuel economy (after the filter has become too restrictive) ?

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#2965854 - 04/08/13 05:55 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: fpracha]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47175
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: fpracha
Hi Pablo!
Exactly why did the previous Amsoil filters for "certain Honda/Toyota" ... "became too restrictive during extended drains. ..."

At what intervals will these previous Amsoil filters still not become "too restrictive" ?

In closing, even if the Amsoil filter has become too restrictive, will it start releasing "previously trapped dirt etc." into the engine OR will it just affect fuel economy (after the filter has become too restrictive) ?


Why? The media filled up as stated.

When? I think 15K-25K miles. But even then, it was quite rare.

I think it would have gone into bypass at some point.

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#2966207 - 04/08/13 12:46 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Pablo]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 34493
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
i wonder what they chnged cause i have three amsoil filters that say 98.7% at 15 microns

Likely changed once someone else started making them.
I think its a step in the wrong direction not having wix make all their filters. Looks like napa golds for me.


The change from Wix had nothing to do with the media. Wix never made all the filters anyway. Napa gold filters are fine, but they don't have the same Donaldson media that the Amsoil filters use.


^This.

I'd take Donaldson over WIX any day wink
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#2967420 - 04/09/13 03:26 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: OVERKILL]
asharris7 Offline


Registered: 08/24/12
Posts: 511
Loc: Greensboro NC, USA
Pablo,

What are your thoughts on the NAPA Platinum?
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#2967575 - 04/09/13 06:01 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: asharris7]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47175
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: asharris7
Pablo,

What are your thoughts on the NAPA Platinum?


Never used one, little knowledge. I assume made my WIX.

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#2967647 - 04/09/13 07:05 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Pablo]
asharris7 Offline


Registered: 08/24/12
Posts: 511
Loc: Greensboro NC, USA
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#3002144 - 05/14/13 05:52 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Pablo]
brakebleeder Offline


Registered: 04/23/13
Posts: 1
Loc: Utah
Are Fram filters anygood? That's all I have used except for some STP.

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#3003914 - 05/16/13 11:18 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: brakebleeder]
StevieBoy Offline


Registered: 08/06/12
Posts: 135
Loc: Central Florida
The only Fram I would use is the Ultra. I think the STP filter is a cheap imitation of what one would expect of the STP brand. Unfortunately Amsoil doesn't make a filter for my 4.0; I do like what I see of the NAPA Platinum. I'll probably start using them rather than the P1 for longer OCI's.
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#3023682 - 06/05/13 01:10 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
Pajero Offline


Registered: 05/05/12
Posts: 412
Loc: Rio Rancho, NM
There gear oil and ATF fluid are top notch. So is there motor oil....
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#3076493 - 07/25/13 09:45 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Pajero]
NYSteve Offline


Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 419
Loc: Killadelphia
Here is the link to the TSB:
http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbulletin/filtration/tsb%20fl-2009-05-01%20eao%20toyota.pdf

ISSUES:
A small number of customers with Toyota, Lexus and Pontiac vehicles with Toyota-built engines have reported that
their vehicles’ oil pressure light has illuminated prior to
reaching the end of the AMSOIL-recommended 25,000-
mile drain interval.

RECOMMENDATION:
AMSOIL no longer recommends EaO09, EaO10 or EaO57
Filters with any Toyota/Lexus application, or with the Pontiac Vibe featuring the 1.8L or 2.4L engines built by Toyota.
For customers operating any of the above listed applications, AMSOIL offers MANN Filters as an alternative to
the Ea Filtration line. MANN Filters can be used for up to
7,500 miles when used in conjunction with AMSOIL synthetic motor oil.

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#3080777 - 07/30/13 12:00 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
WoodenNickle Offline


Registered: 01/26/12
Posts: 6
Loc: North Carolina, Beaufort Cty.
Regarding filtration, here's something to think about. There are two ways to rate the removal rate of the filter media: nominal or absolute. Most all filter manufacturers use the nominal rating. In other words, nominal ratings mean a filter will remove less than 100% of the dirt that it's challenged with. I'd much rather have a absolute rating, meaning 100% removal, even if the micron size goes up. That way, you know the size of the biggest particle getting through the filter. With a nominal rating, if it's 90% of the dirt challenge, there's the unknown 10% that's going to be bigger than the published particle size. Also, the nominal percentage may be 80%, 70% or some other number.
When I asked Amsoil what the absolute rating of their filters were, I got a straight answer. Most people don't realize that almost all of the filter manufacturers are, in effect "cheating" by making it look like they make a superior product.
I know Amsoil has a superior product, because I asked and got an honest answer!
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#3080832 - 07/30/13 01:01 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: brakebleeder]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9783
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: brakebleeder
Are Fram filters anygood? That's all I have used except for some STP.


Fram has tiered filters. The orange can is their lowest tier. It's acceptable however for the price a purolator can be found cheaper for the same tiered filter.
So fram makes 3 tiers= minimum,acceptable,premium.
Their premium filter called ultra is a very good filter and when compared to other brands in its class it can be bought cheaper,which makes it a good value. In order to get your money's worth out of a premium class filter you need to run an extended drain of 15000 miles.
I run the basic filters for 10000 miles,which,depending on whether there was elevated idling or whatever that could be one or 2 oil changes before I change the filter.
On an engine that's clean inside a basic filter should be in service for 10000 miles,unless the engine is very dirty.
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#3561693 - 12/10/14 05:15 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
benjy Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 562
Loc: pa
does the fram ultra filters use ultra cardboard end caps? fram is highly advertised cheap junk IMO. i have used Amsoil for years + have always changed the oil filter at 6 mo on a yearly change, cheap insurance for sure

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#3578760 - 12/26/14 10:14 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: benjy]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 22521
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
There are many threads with many pictures detailing the construction of the Fram Ultra filter in the filter subsection.
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#4262277 - 11/30/16 08:03 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Garak]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 4031
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
WITHOUT SCIENCE I gotta say this 25,000 mile business appears to be asking for SOME trouble.

Maybe the capacity of a single, screw on can has been optimized? No biggie here.

I'm not trying to emasculate anybody but come on now, there's only so much magic in a hat that small. Kira

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#4263940 - 12/02/16 04:27 PM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: Kira]
UltrafanUK Offline


Registered: 04/18/16
Posts: 985
Loc: England
Originally Posted By: Kira
WITHOUT SCIENCE I gotta say this 25,000 mile business appears to be asking for SOME trouble.

Maybe the capacity of a single, screw on can has been optimized? No biggie here.

I'm not trying to emasculate anybody but come on now, there's only so much magic in a hat that small. Kira


Amsoil might make some good oils and filters, but their ideas on extending an OCI are none too clever if you do not get a UOA or three done, or have a new car still under warranty.
Their oils do seem to contain more detergents than most, so they are worth considering for extended OCI use, IF TBN loss is the reason why the oil needs to be changed.


Edited by UltrafanUK (12/02/16 04:28 PM)
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#4266436 - 12/05/16 05:38 AM Re: Pablo, are Amsoil oil filters stillthe best? [Re: sprintman]
THafeez Offline


Registered: 08/15/16
Posts: 608
Loc: Long Island
Does that tsb still apply to amsoil oil filters for my car (in sig)? Is it a bad idea to run the extended filters (Fram, M1 RP, Amsoil) for more than ~7500 miles ?
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