If their competitors even care. Since there are no publicly conducted tests and comparisons that have any meaning, once you get your target approvals you might as well spend every last dollar of your budget on marketing.
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Great point.
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I must say that I'm definitely interesting in trying this oil in my Honda, so the marketing team has definitely done it's job! At the end of the day though, I really won't know if it's doing what it claims to do, because I'm definitely not going to be opening up my engine to see how it looks inside.
Cut your filters.
A New oil from Valvoline and it isn't over $40 a Jug????
Several people here, besides me, can vouch for who I am in this industry. If they want to, they can. If they don’t want to, they don’t have to.
Otherwise, I normally say this phrase.
This is the internet, everyone is allowed to have opinions. Chances are, if we sat down for a drink, we would have different opinions. I don’t expect anyone to believe me or listen to me. I do this free of charge because it’s entirely entertainment to me.
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What will that prove, you do realize we have a bigger issue here, buster looks like 1 of the guys from the Police Academy Movies. Well, at least Patman looks good! LOLCut your filters.
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I wouldn't waste my time on a few spiteful individuals who enjoy undermining others on this forum. Just ignore them. And for what it’s worth, I recognize your genuine contributions despite their baseless criticism.
Oh I get what you’re saying. But at the sometime, as I said I do this for entertainment. I have thick skin. If I was here to make money? Then yeah, I’d nod smile and agree. Do whatever. But since I’m not, I’ll converse back politely - sometimes sarcastically, or a bit on the trolling side.
But it’s what I said, I don’t expect everyone to believe me, “just trust me.” This is the internet. As I said, if we met for a drink, you saw my business card. Who texts me. Who emails me. Who I’m going to Prague with in a few days. I bet the opinions we have online, are suddenly different than the opinions in person. But, for now, it’s the internet. I can’t just go link an article about what an ILMA is doing. Or whose base oil Valvoline is using in what blend, because a friend of mine sells them base oil. As, that info doesn’t exist in some report I can link. That’s just the way of the industry. And I have my own responsibility to skirt around what I shouldn’t say in a public way.
So if people don’t like that, cool. No skin off my back.
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Eh, that’s a bit too bleak of a view for my taste. If that were true then there would be no difference between tiers of products within a brand. Since there clearly are differences, that tells me it isn’t all marketing.
while Valvoline and Castrol and others blend excellent engine oils using base stocks from various sources and additive packages possibly tweeked to their own liking, its really up to the consumer to decide what to believe, virtually all popular engines oils pass/exceed the required specs and license's to the proper job they are intended to perform,as of course the marketing is there to sell the product at a affordable and competive price,,,now there are more higher quality oils that exceed current testing and specs ,as its reflected in the pricing and consumer needs/wants and overall performance, and trusting claims by the manufacture/blender. to note to rember,good filteration and keeping the oil clean with correct oci, fuel dilution,driving habits etc, also come into play with of course a mechanically sound engine.
Perhaps you’re right, but unfortunately we have no data to be able to distinguish what’s marketing and what’s real. Maybe one day Project Farm will get some engine stands
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He goes after Valvoline a little too much. That's always suspect to me. People who do that generally have a beef for whatever reason. I don't share his hate for Valvoline. It always comes off as though he is jealous about how good they market themselves. When did that become a negative? That is what marketing is. Foxtrot08 may be knowledgable, and I appreciate his contributions, but that doesn't make him perfect. Valvoline is a good product.
Valvoline has just been the flavor of the month here recently. And what I’ve gotten tagged in.
I could go after everyone if I wanted to. I just get tagged in these Valvoline threads all the time. But again, I really don’t care what brand people use. I more so point out the marketing flaws in engine oils.
I’d actually counter that I go after Shell/Rotella more. Because friends don’t let friends run Brotella.
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Really. I’ll stop replying to these Valvoline threads when I’m tagged. I’ve had to been tagged in all of them.
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If an engine oil had a human form. Brotella would be the mid 20 year old, with a flat billed cap, white Oakley gascans, a skyjacked F350 (or pick your flavor of diesel pick ups), all chromed out and painted up, on 24’s with low profile mud tires. And he always skips leg day. But he certainly lets you know his dad owns a dealership.
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Yeah where are you getting $36?? It’s that price at AutoZone , but they are always higher. Walmart has at for 29.99, and I’ve seen people say Amazon has it for 24.99. Just an fyi
"Relevant Part of Engine"? How many grams deposits removed from pistons in critical areas?
Easy to show what doesn't really matter - though an improvement HERE could relate to improvement There.
Back when I was a young lad, cylinder balance was a good indicator of engine cleanliness - but this was before MPFI that tossed spray pattern/atomization into the mix. Test driving a vehicle you would note some vibration vs a turbine like smoothness.
Did XoM post anything tangential to an ASTM D8111 evaluation?
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