LSJr's Video Testing Data - Pennzoil and Quaker State's Differences

[fantastic]

Hmm, the link is not playing.

It plays just fine after I refresh my page. Try a new incognito browser?

 

[Rand]

You didn't but give credit where it is due. This answered a question that some here had. That is good information if you ask me. Not "Didn't miss much". I understand that there are personallity differences with some of these tubers I get that but this is informative IMO.

If you can sum up the answer in 3 words I'll give him credit for only making it 11min video.

 

[fantastic]

If you can sum up the answer in 3 words I'll give him credit for only making it 11min video.

That's why I started it at the 2:20 minute mark. Tried to eliminate some of the other ramblings.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

That's my thinking too but still doesn't explain why they offer 500k warranty w/GTL vs 300k warranty w/GRP III.

Marketing? Remember Pennzoil is the top tier SOPUS product so it would not look good if their warranty was the same as the cheaper QS line. The warranty claim itself is kinda silly because the majority of owners will have sold the car or it will have died for some other reason. We at BITOG already know that we spend most of our time conversing about the outer edge of performance and that the majority of vehicles will not have any lubricant related issues using SuperTech on a 5k OCI.

 

[Johnny248]

Let's be honest there is testing w/data in this video here.

Agree. His videos are informative and not brand sponsored. I like them.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

No, That's not my main surprise. This video answered a good question in regards to QSFS using GTL or not. The add pack was just the details. To be fair though they didn't advertise QSFS as having GTL.

Which makes sense. I imagine if GTL was found in that QS product?

 

[fantastic]

Marketing? Remember Pennzoil is the top tier SOPUS product so it would not look good if their warranty was the same as the cheaper QS line. The warranty claim itself is kinda silly because the majority of owners will have sold the car or it will have died for some other reason. We at BITOG already know that we spend most of our time conversing about the outer edge of performance and that the majority of vehicles will not have any lubricant related issues using SuperTech on a 5k OCI.

I agree that the warranty marketing is a bit gimmicky but it does paint a picture of the differences between them. I just remember all the QS promotions as a young lad in the late 80-90's so I guess I didn't know that PZ is their real top product.

 

[4WD]

This is the SDS I have fo QSFS 5w-30. Its dated 2020. Isn't this saying its GTL? I am not an expert on this - this is a question not a statement?

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I have seen that before - could be they are back and forth based on inventory where PP would get first shot at GTL …

 

[Sayjac]

I liked the vid. What I got from it, GTL Pennzoil Plat ad pack. vs non-GTL QSFS add pack. Just depends on ones preference, perhaps oci, and what you want to spend.

Yeah, LS Jr, a bit long winded.

 

[SC Maintenance]

You didn't but give credit where it is due. This answered a question that some here had. That is good information if you ask me. Not "Didn't miss much". I understand that there are personallity differences with some of these tubers I get that but this is informative IMO.

I agree. I didn't click the video because I also don't think much of Lake Speed, but its interesting to know one is in fact GTL and one isn't. Does it matter much - not to me, but I still find it interesting.

Thanks for posting!!

 

[kschachn]

But since the API Annex E allows base stock interchange by viscosity index and saturates/sulfur levels (being that there is no API Group III+ classification) the blender is quite able to change base stocks at any time and in any way as long as it meets the requirements for interchange.

Regarding the chemical elements listed in the PDS "additives", which one influence the requirements for interchange and show that one base stock requires less to meet an API performance level?

 

[Zee09]

I watched several of his videos and I think he has a great channel.

 

[Bill7]

Lake Speed (Certified Lubrication Specialist) test's these two oils to find out their base oil chemistry. This is a YouTube video that talks about the differences between Quaker State Full Synthetic & Pennzoil Full Synthetic. It answers the question of whether or not QSFS is using gas to liquid or not. QSFS doesn't include gas to liquid & Pennzoil does employ GTL. Very interesting video for you to watch. Lake Speed goes over the additive packs also. I've started it at the 2:20 minute mark to eliminate some other conversations not pertaining to this data.

They block youtube on my work browser. Would you be able to give us a detailed summary of the findings of the video. Thanks.

 

[Egg_Head]

That's my thinking too but still doesn't explain why they offer 500k warranty w/GTL vs 300k warranty w/GRP III.

500k warranty is only significant if you are Irv Gordon.

 

[Jetronic]

That's my thinking too but still doesn't explain why they offer 500k warranty w/GTL vs 300k warranty w/GRP III.

To make you spend more per oil change and feel good about it?

 

[Jetronic]

Marketing? Remember Pennzoil is the top tier SOPUS product so it would not look good if their warranty was the same as the cheaper QS line. The warranty claim itself is kinda silly because the majority of owners will have sold the car or it will have died for some other reason. We at BITOG already know that we spend most of our time conversing about the outer edge of performance and that the majority of vehicles will not have any lubricant related issues using SuperTech on a 5k OCI.

And what happens if a competitor product was used a few times? What's the warranty worth then?

 

[dnewton3]

They block youtube on my work browser. Would you be able to give us a detailed summary of the findings of the video. Thanks.

The base stocks are different; QS grp III vs PZ GTL.
The common additives are different; more in the QS vs the PZ.
They both are certified to the same Dexos standard; two roads to the same destination.
The takeaway is that higher quality base stocks require less additives to achieve the same task.

Though not discussed, there are also additives which will not show up in ICP or other typical analysis methods.

None of this should be a surprise to anyone who's been on BITOG for more than a week.

 

[Corollaman]

I watch his videos, I think it's good entertainment. I think he upsets some "experts" on this forum because in reality he probably knows more than they do. I recently switched over to Quaker State.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

And what happens if a competitor product was used a few times? What's the warranty worth then?

I don't know anything about the "warranty" or the terms but I'd imagine it's extremely difficult to adhere to and have a lubricant failures which are essentially nonexistent these days.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

But since the API Annex E allows base stock interchange by viscosity index and saturates/sulfur levels (being that there is no API Group III+ classification) the blender is quite able to change base stocks at any time and in any way as long as it meets the requirements for interchange.

Regarding the chemical elements listed in the PDS "additives", which one influence the requirements for interchange and show that one base stock requires less to meet an API performance level?

Don't forget there's truth in advertising. If there's no GTL in the bottle and the label states otherwise it's an issue.