Liqui-Moly Class III??
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I think that 75% requirement is an old wive's tale. It is clear that anything that is a distillate comes from petroleum. PAOs and Esthers don't require distillation.
It is not old tale. You can go to German oil web sites and compare products.
it’s like 50% minimum. edge 0w40 a3/b4 is legally a vollsyn
At this point, people just believe whatever makes them feel better.
wemay
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OP, why the emphasis on GroupIV?
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Not anymore. Once they dropped from 50-75 to 25-50% the changed label in Germany.
We had this discussion few years back. I was thinking 50%, but guy from Germany actually posted court documents stating 75%!
It is always around Liqui Moly. People buy it bcs. Made in Germany, you tell them that matters as much as Made in Zimbabwe and they go fishing for people to agree with their confirmation bias. No German vehicle manufacturer uses anything Liqui Moly as OE. That should tell them something.
There is some kind of fascination for everything made in Germany here in America. And in Europe it's a fascination for everything made in USA. Exotism.
Yeah. Especially true in Germany.
I think it’s because of the long ago ruling about synthetic oil definition. Germany was the only place that kept going with the original definition of synthetic oil. So people are interested in getting real synthetic oil by the old standard and there’s no clear way to tell.
wemay
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But now we're falling into the trap this thread insinuates about GrpIII. Being HC doesn't disqualify LM from having some excellent GrpIII products. Regardless of their marketing being somewhat over-the-top.
Perhaps a call to the company will end all the speculation. Or you'll get the typical oil company response and be in the same boat you're in now, which is not knowing for sure. There are 53 posts above this one, and still no definitive answer.
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LiquiMoly has 2 types of oil, Fully Synthetic and Synthetic Technology.
Fully Synth is what the name says and the Synth Tech is not group IV, but III
The reason for this is that for some engines a grp III base works better with the additives used for that engine.
Frankly in today's oils the difference between the 2 is mainly on paper.
There is a definintive answer to the OPs question which has been presented several times in this thread. The oil in his OP, the Top Tech 4210 0W30, is a Group 3 HC oil. This oil bottled for the NA market will be labeled as being "fully synthetic", in Germany, it will be labeled "synthetic technolgy" due to their law on this matter w/r needing XYZ% of Group4 which this oil clearly does not have. I don't see the confusion here.
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The only one I see you can get in the U.S. is the Synthoil Energy 0W40 which doensn't have approvals...I wouldn't bother just to be able to tell folks at Cars and Coffee that you have "fully synthetic oil bro...you know...Group 4 base stocks".
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