Liqui-Moly Class III??

[OldCowboy]

I have seen it said on BITOG that Liqui-Moly synthetic oils are Class III. This is the oil I plan to use for my next OCI.
It is made in Germany and labeled "fully synthetic." I was under the impression that oils labeled as "fully synthetic" in Germany had to be Class IV or Class V oils. Has this changed?

 

[edyvw]

I have seen it said on BITOG that Liqui-Moly synthetic oils are Class III. This is the oil I plan to use for my next OCI.
It is made in Germany and labeled "fully synthetic." I was under the impression that oils labeled as "fully synthetic" in Germany had to be Class IV or Class V oils. Has this changed?

If they are sold in Germany they have to be 75% GrVI or V. But, oil you want to buy is sold here.

 

[OldCowboy]

If they are sold in Germany they have to be 75% GrVI or V. But, oil you want to buy is sold here.

The oil I bought was made in Germany. Show me proof that it's not the same as that sold in Germany. Sounds like BS to me.

 

[demarpaint]

Why not contact Liqui-Moly and ask them? Then maybe you get a straight answer right from the mfg.

 

[RooflessVW]

You have seen it said that some Liqui Moly oils are Grp III.

 

[kschachn]

The oil I bought was made in Germany. Show me proof that it's not the same as that sold in Germany. Sounds like BS to me.

Then why would it be sold with English on the label and marketed in quarts? It may have been made in Germany but not sold there. Germany makes a lot of synthetic technology Group III base stock oils.

If it was a majority Group (not "class") IV or V oil sold in Germany then it would have a German label and say "vollsynthetisch" on the label. It would also be sold in liters.

 

[2EHA]

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[CleverUserName]

The SDS indicates it’s Group III and IV based.

 

[OldCowboy]

Then why would it be sold with English on the label and marketed in quarts? It may have been made in Germany but not sold there. Germany makes a lot of synthetic technology Group III base stock oils.

If it was a majority Group (not "class") IV or V oil sold in Germany then it would have a German label and say "vollsynthetisch" on the label. It would also be sold in liters.

If you look closely, you'll see the package is 5 liters (5.28 qt). And it says fully synthetic on the label.

 

[OldCowboy]

The SDS indicates it’s Group III and IV based.

I finally found that SDS. You are correct. It is a mixture of Group III and Group IV oils. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[kschachn]

If you look closely, you'll see the package is 5 liters (5.28 qt). And it says fully synthetic on the label.

The oil in that container is being sold in quarts, not liters. It is a package destined for a market other than Germany and likely the US.

You're still conflating where the oil is being manufactured and where it is being sold. Many Group III base stock oils are manufactured in Germany and are sold as "full synthetic" everywhere else in the world.

 

[kschachn]

Please provide a link to that SDS. The only one I can find makes no reference to the Groups.

That's because you don't understand what a Group means in terms of chemical composition. It's also because an SDS is produced for a completely different reason than to provide API 1509 Appendix E base stock exchange information.

 

[CleverUserName]

“Group” or “class” isn’t listed in the SDS. You need to know how to identify by description of the ingredients.

Please provide a link to that SDS. The only one I can find makes no reference to the Groups.

 

[OldCowboy]

The oil in that container is being sold in quarts, not liters. It is a package destined for a market other than Germany and likely the US.

You're still conflating where the oil is being manufactured and where it is being sold. Many Group III base stock oils are manufactured in Germany and are sold as "full synthetic" everywhere else in the world.

Look closely at that picture. It say 5.28 U.S. Qt (5 L). It is a 5 L container.

 

[4WD]

If they are sold in Germany they have to be 75% GrVI or V. But, oil you want to buy is sold here.

IV

 

[RooflessVW]

That is US Market packaging.

Top Tec 4210 0W-30

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"High-tech low-friction motor oil based on synthetic technology. "

 

[kschachn]

Look closely at that picture. It say 5.28 U.S. Qt (5 L). It is a 5 L container.

Hello?

 

[loneryder]

People on here say Castrol 0-40 made in Belgium is mostly group 3 PAO. It’s sold in the US. So what gives? You can’t have it both ways.

I don’t want to hear anything from kschachn.

 

[OldCowboy]

I presume "Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy paraffinic" are Group III oils while "1-Decene, homopolymer, hydrogenated" are Group IV or Group V oils.

If that is the case, then the Top Tec 4210 0W30 marketed in Germany is a mixture of 20-40% Group III and 20-40% Group IV or V. This is off the German version of the LiquiMoly web site.

 

[OldCowboy]

edyvw said:
If they are sold in Germany they have to be 75% GrVI or V. But, oil you want to buy is sold here.

If that is the case, I'd like to see proof, not just someone's presumption.

Castrol EDGE 0W-20 LL IV sold in Germany is between 25% and 50% Group III with 20% to 50% Group IV and/or Group V. (https://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/a...9C2F7580E0E8025862B00580692/$File/2685227.pdf)