Boycotting Nokian Tires

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Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon
Where and how a company chooses to distribute its products is up to them.

Some choose the "free for all" blanket the market strategy, but that usually results in the company being less able to exercise control over how its products are represented, sold and supported, and race-to-the-bottom pricing that erodes the value of the product in the eyes of consumers. Neither is desirable, particularly for products that require some professional expertise in regards to the former, and brand image in the case of the latter.

Premium and expensive goods seek to avoid that by implementing tightly controlled distribution strategies, and other techniques such as MAP pricing (see--RockAuto "price fixing" thread).

Nokian is considered a premium winter tire brand, and has chosen not to allow online sales in Canada, nor for out of country dealers such as DTD to ship internationally. Both are perfectly reasonable, legal, and for the latter, may be dictated by circumstances outside of Nokian's control.

Is patronizing a local tire dealer "difficult" in any sense of the word? For the vast majority, probably not.

Or is the real difficulty in not being to "get a good deal," or "pay the price I think I should pay for a particular product?"

That seems to be the real issue, and the free market has a solution for that -- voluntary exchanges, and competition.

It seems that is the obvious option.

Nokian is under no obligation to distribute and price its tires in any other way than it does, except in the manner that it and its shareholders see fit, and financially acceptable. They've been producing tires for 85 years, so it seems to be working for them.



Wow. You need to come to Canada and endure the ripoff culture before posting comments like this. At least you need to endure the ripoff culture where I live. You may not feel the same afterwards.

Nokian are great tires. They have priced themselves out of the market, in my area. Only seen on very expensive cars. I had a pair and loved them, but can literally not afford them. Especially when they are installed by unskilled workers and sold by people who know little or nothing about them at their retailer chain. Nothing like my experience with DTD or Tire Rack.

Many who would want Nokians in my area go to Costco and buy X-Ice for half the price. ?Good business model?

Totally agree with the OP.
 
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I suspect a lot of the problem stems from your own government tariffs and unfair trade practices. There is no reason you Canadian's should not be able to order online from American companies if Canada really supported free trade. Which they don't by they way my youngest daughter live their for four years and it was discussing.


You can but it's the choice of the US SELLER whether they want to ship to Canada or not. US companies are not obligated to sell anything to Canada. Some do, some don't.
 
I'm sorry that's a local corrupt Canadian policy. Explain why Nokian offers this tire on Amazon and you can't order from them. [/quote]

What is this???????
 
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I suspect a lot of the problem stems from your own government tariffs and unfair trade practices. There is no reason you Canadian's should not be able to order online from American companies if Canada really supported free trade. Which they don't by they way my youngest daughter live their for four years and it was discussing.


This is a Nokian issue. They are very protective of their dealers and their sales areas.

Lavoie Tire on the Quebec side is not allowed to even sell Nokian tires to us located in Ontario. Every other brand is no problem.


I'm sorry that's a local corrupt Canadian policy. Explain why Nokian offers this tire on Amazon and you can't order from them.


Huh? It is for the exact same reason. Nokian will not allow US dealers to sell to Canada.
 
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I'm sorry that's a local corrupt Canadian policy. Explain why Nokian offers this tire on Amazon and you can't order from them.

Quebec lives in their own little fantasy world at times.
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As for Amazon, I can't speak for Nokian tires in specific, but there are plenty of automotive products that Amazon USA will simply not let a Canadian put in his shopping basket.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I'm sorry that's a local corrupt Canadian policy. Explain why Nokian offers this tire on Amazon and you can't order from them.

Quebec lives in their own little fantasy world at times.
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As for Amazon, I can't speak for Nokian tires in specific, but there are plenty of automotive products that Amazon USA will simply not let a Canadian put in his shopping basket.


Quebec likes being "special". That is for sure...
 
We out west can't be too smug, either. Alberta is terrified of Saskatchewan hand crafted beer.
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Buying automotive parts in Canada can be a challenge at times, to say the least, especially if one doesn't wish to pay out the nose.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I'm sorry that's a local corrupt Canadian policy. Explain why Nokian offers this tire on Amazon and you can't order from them.

Quebec lives in their own little fantasy world at times.
wink.gif
As for Amazon, I can't speak for Nokian tires in specific, but there are plenty of automotive products that Amazon USA will simply not let a Canadian put in his shopping basket.


Yes and I'd lay money it has to do with Canadian Law and unfair trade practices. But say that's no skin off my behind because I don't live there. But I'd think some people that are consumers in Canucka land would be mad as H!
 
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I'm sorry that's a local corrupt Canadian policy. Explain why Nokian offers this tire on Amazon and you can't order from them.

Quebec lives in their own little fantasy world at times.
wink.gif
As for Amazon, I can't speak for Nokian tires in specific, but there are plenty of automotive products that Amazon USA will simply not let a Canadian put in his shopping basket.


Yes and I'd lay money it has to do with Canadian Law and unfair trade practices. But say that's no skin off my behind because I don't live there. But I'd think some people that are consumers in Canucka land would be mad as H!

The U.S. just imposed 220% tax on Bombardier. Why we do not just allow Bombardier to sell planes in the U.S.? I bet Delta who wanted to buy bunch of planes is [censored] off.
So, there is your answer.
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I'm sorry that's a local corrupt Canadian policy. Explain why Nokian offers this tire on Amazon and you can't order from them.

Quebec lives in their own little fantasy world at times.
wink.gif
As for Amazon, I can't speak for Nokian tires in specific, but there are plenty of automotive products that Amazon USA will simply not let a Canadian put in his shopping basket.


Yes and I'd lay money it has to do with Canadian Law and unfair trade practices. But say that's no skin off my behind because I don't live there. But I'd think some people that are consumers in Canucka land would be mad as H!

The U.S. just imposed 220% tax on Bombardier. Why we do not just allow Bombardier to sell planes in the U.S.? I bet Delta who wanted to buy bunch of planes is [censored] off.
So, there is your answer.


You think it had to do with socialist subsidizing Bombardier? Just like Airbus does in the EU? But frankly that doesn't help us consumers on either side of the border. The B S needs to stop and the playing field needs to get leveled in favor of the consumer.
 
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I totally agree with you regarding the subsidies JOHNSON. However, we don't need to look any farther than Boeing who appears to be the subsidy master. Bombardier could learn a thing or two from Boeing in how to get government handouts:
"But there’s another story about subsidies in this intricate cross-border trade drama – and it is about Boeing. The U.S. aircraft manufacturing giant is among the top recipients of both federal, state and local subsidies in the U.S., according to a tally compiled by Good Jobs First, a Washington-based organization.

The company received $457 million in federal grants, which are typically non-repayable, between 2000 and 2014. In addition to that, there was a whopping $64 billion in federal loans and loan guarantees." Check out Good Jobs First for further info.

You may also be surprised to learn that Boeing received $15 Billion in state and local subsidies over that same 15 year period. Check out that same website for details.
About $100 billion or 36 % of the company's 2016 income came from Department of Defence. These military dollars are indirect help for their commercial business. (from the same website)
 
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Originally Posted By: cb450sc
I totally agree with you regarding the subsidies JOHNSON. However, we don't need to look any farther than Boeing who appears to be the subsidy master. Bombardier could learn a thing or two from Boeing in how to get government handouts:
"But there’s another story about subsidies in this intricate cross-border trade drama – and it is about Boeing. The U.S. aircraft manufacturing giant is among the top recipients of both federal, state and local subsidies in the U.S., according to a tally compiled by Good Jobs First, a Washington-based organization.

The company received $457 million in federal grants, which are typically non-repayable, between 2000 and 2014. In addition to that, there was a whopping $64 billion in federal loans and loan guarantees." Check out Good Jobs First for further info.

You may also be surprised to learn that Boeing received $15 Billion in state and local subsidies over that same 15 year period. Check out that same website for details.
About $100 billion or 36 % of the company's 2016 income came from Department of Defence. These military dollars are indirect help for their commercial business. (from the same website)





You're right that's why the whole playing field needs to be leveled.
But talking about those defense subsidies that's what provides your defense umbrella in Canada that you're not paying for.

The State subsidies you're right they double crossed the State of Washington with the promise of keeping jobs and then after they got them the had a major layoff. The Politico's should have taken the money back but just like Canadian politco's their pockets were full and they weren't back tracking. This is the way in both our countries that needs to stop. It isn't benefiting you or I.
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble again but Canada opted out of having the US provide us with a defence umbrella. We do however have many defence agreements with your wonderful country. I guess the only problem with that is when N. Korea sends their nukes to you they have to go over Canada first.
We sure did hijack this thread, I'm done. Regards
 
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Yes and I'd lay money it has to do with Canadian Law and unfair trade practices. But say that's no skin off my behind because I don't live there. But I'd think some people that are consumers in Canucka land would be mad as H!

If Nokians were made in the States, Mexico, or Canada, and Nokian didn't have a strange distribution system, there would be no problems bringing them in from an on line purchase, and duty free, too. Lots of tires come up from the Tire Rack. The weird interprovincial relationships are more problematic than getting any ordinary automotive products across the border. Amazon is one of the bad guys in this automotive situation. I've ordered all kinds of parts online from both sides of the border, and various countries of origin. Amazon is the only one that ever decided something cannot be shipped to Canada (aside from something that legitimately cannot be shipped). It's particularly obnoxious when Amazon USA has a product at a decent price and it's close to 800% higher at Amazon Canada.

Summit Racing, Autohaus AZ, and Shokan Coachworks, for instance, were all able to sell me stuff over the border without the slightest issue, with duties levied only when applicable.
 
Originally Posted By: PFP
Wow. You need to come to Canada and endure the ripoff culture before posting comments like this. At least you need to endure the ripoff culture where I live. You may not feel the same afterwards.

Nokian are great tires. They have priced themselves out of the market, in my area. Only seen on very expensive cars. I had a pair and loved them, but can literally not afford them. Especially when they are installed by unskilled workers and sold by people who know little or nothing about them at their retailer chain. Nothing like my experience with DTD or Tire Rack.

Many who would want Nokians in my area go to Costco and buy X-Ice for half the price. ?Good business model?

Totally agree with the OP.


Don't get me wrong, you guys do have my sympathies. Like every consumer, I have my own level of price sensitivity, and like a deal as much as the next guy.

However, I also see where Nokian is coming from. Their distribution channels have always been strangely limited, but how they engage the market is still their choice, as is their reasoning and acceptance of the results of those decisions.

You and the OP may not agree with it, but that's how the market works. A personal "boycott" and seeking a readily available substitute is how it's handled.

Now, excuse me while I start a "Boycott Porsche" thread because they won't sell me a new GT3 for the price I'm willing to pay.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
If Nokians were made in the States, Mexico, or Canada, and Nokian didn't have a strange distribution system, there would be no problems bringing them in from an on line purchase, and duty free, too.

Nokian is currently building a manufacturing plant in the US. It is supposed to start producing tires in 2020. I guess we'll see how that changes things.
 
If the tires are properly "packaged," however that might happen, as having U.S. a a country of origin, we're okay on the duty side of things. Personally, I don't have a huge problem with Nokian's setup. I tend to go to a shop to buy and install tires anyway. However, selection is sometimes shaky, or I'm just used to seeing too many brand choices and part numbers online.
 
So far I like the Nokian tires I purchased via Amazon for $44.50 each a few months ago. But the price on there fluctuates daily. They have built in tread wear indicators. Starting off at 8 and counting down from there. Each number is carved a little deeper the lower the number in the center rubber rib of the tire. I can still see 8 so that's good. They start out at 11 mm.
 
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
So far I like the Nokian tires I purchased via Amazon for $44.50 each a few months ago.

Wow! What model and size were they?

The ones for wife's SUV are close to $200 each, and that's more or less what I paid when I bought them from a local tire shop.
 
They're just eNTRYES, 205/55R16s, 700 utqg, Traction A, Temp A. I was tempted to get some Westlake tires that were only $28 with no rebates to deal with. Had QuickLane do the install with a Hunter Roadforce balancer. Ouch to the $200/tire, I'd be on the lookout for deals.

If I had the Corolla 15 inch wheels, size 195/65R15s I could get some Hankooks for $38 from a local tire shop. The Kinergy ones and last month they had a $70 rebate going.
 
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