Anyone see a major conflict in this trailer

[GON]

Cam across this gooseneck trailer for sale in Fargo, ND. The price at $8900 seems more like pre VID pricing.

Going through the pictures- something sticks out to me- anyone else catch it?

 

[mrsilv04]

Other than it has 2 - 7000 pound axles with a 19500 pound cargo rating?

 

[vpr5703]

Assuming 30% tongue weight - The trailer axles aren't rated high enough for the payload capacity + trailer. There is a 2800 pound shortfall.

24000 GVWR * .30 tongue weight = 7200 pounds on the gooseneck. Leaving 16,800 pounds carried by the axles. Axle combined rating is 14,000 pounds. Oops.

 

[GON]

Bingo!

And that causes another effect. CDL. With a trailer GVWR of 24,000 LBS, the tow vehicle would need a GVWR of 2,000 LS or less. By having a posted GVWR of 24,000 LBS, this causes this trailer to require the operator to have a CDL license and follow CDL regulations. Yet, the trailers GVWR is likely 14,000 LBS. Huge secondary issue.

 

[vpr5703]

Wow. So that card is just all sorts of wrong LOL.

 

[earthbound]

I thought gvwr of 26k or more requires a CDL license...no? Nvm I see now yep that's crazy...

 

[BrendanC]

I thought gvwr of 26k or more requires a CDL license...no?

Only if hauling commercially. People hauling for personal use are fine.

 

[mrsilv04]

Also... the trailer itself looks well used... I mean... 'loved'.

 

[GON]

Only if hauling commercially. People hauling for personal use are fine.

I don't believe that is accurate. To the best of my recollection a CDL is required for any non RV combination of over 26,000 lbs.

This is why super duty pick ups have a true GVWR of well over 12,000 lbs, but are derated to under 10,000 lbs, to avoid gvwr issues.

 

[ls1mike]

Under axled like every other trailer on the planet. I hate that. I can't believe it left the factory like that.

 

[wwillson]

One of the best CDL flow charts I've seen:

https://www.truckingtruth.com/guide-pages/images/do-i-need-cdl.jpg

 

[Cujet]

Only if hauling commercially. People hauling for personal use are fine.

Looking at the flow chart, it seems a private F350 “power unit” rated at 10,000 could tow a private trailer up to 21,000

 

[GON]

Looking at the flow chart, it seems a private F350 “power unit” rated at 10,000 could tow a private trailer up to 21,000

I think a power unit at 10,000 lbs could tow a trailer with a GVWR rating of 16,000 LBS or less.

 

[02SE]

Under axled like every other trailer on the planet. I hate that. I can't believe it left the factory like that.

The New Horizons Majestic TH we had, had triple 9k axles. Of course it was overbuilt compared to most 5th wheels I've seen.

 

[02SE]

@GON, I think you should look more closely at the CDL requirements. For you own personal use, you shouldn't need any type of CDL.

 

[GON]

@GON, I think you should look more closely at the CDL requirements. For you own personal use, you shouldn't need any type of CDL.

Thanks, I do have a CDL A. Kind of a pain to maintain as it requires a physical every two years that needs to be submitted to the DMV.

 

[dogememe]

Yeah, I had an F550 bucket truck that I bought from a buddy. I had to get commercial insurance and was supposed to stop at scales even though it was only for personal use. At least I didn’t need a CDL to drive it! The whole thing was a hassle and I sold it after a month.

 

[mk378]

The "occasional, recreational transportation of personal property for a non-business purpose" is exempt from Federal CDL rules regardless of weight. However, state laws may apply.

 

[CKN]

The "occasional, recreational transportation of personal property for a non-business purpose" is exempt from Federal CDL rules regardless of weight. However, state laws may apply.

Seems you are correct-
1. Does the vehicle or vehicle combination have a GVWR, GVW, GCWR or GCW (whichever is greater) of 10,001 pounds or more?

If NO, then the HOS and CDL regulations DO NOT apply.

2. Does the vehicle or vehicle combination have a GVWR, GVW, GCWR or GCW (whichever is greater) of 10,001 pounds or more, but less than 26,001 pounds?

If YES, the individual MAY need an ELD to complete the RODS. However, a CDL is NOT required.

3. Does the vehicle or vehicle combination have a GVWR, GVW, GCWR or GCW (whichever is greater) of 26,001 pounds or more?

If YES, the driver MAY need an ELD to complete the RODS and a CDL MAY be required.

4. Is the vehicle being used for the occasional, recreational transportation of personal property for a non-business purpose, such as taking a personally owned animal, vehicle or other personal property to a show when the underlying business is unrelated?

If YES, the HOS regulations DO NOT apply. A CDL is NOT required unless the licensing state requires it. Note: Drivers must verify the licensing requirements in their home States.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/agricultural-exceptions-and-exemptions-fmcsa-safety

You can tell GON-he doesn't see my posts......

 

[02SE]

Thanks, I do have a CDL A. Kind of a pain to maintain as it requires a physical every two years that needs to be submitted to the DMV.

As do I.

I haven't NEEDED it since I owned class 6-8 trucks, but it has come in handy in the hobby I pursued for many years. Took a break from for a few years, and may get back into.