and requires "Full Synthetic 0W-20, API SN PLUS/ SP or ILSAC GF-6"
No, it doesn't. It's the recommended oil. Recommended and required are very different terms.
and requires "Full Synthetic 0W-20, API SN PLUS/ SP or ILSAC GF-6"
Welcome to the forum
As for being 100% sure, only you going and seeing the bottle/bulk delivery would clarify it 100%
A neighbor just took a Hyundai into our joint H/K service department, and this is all the R.O gives for specifics
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It sounds like you do not trust what is in the Containers, so do not wonder what Bob thinks here, wondering and and being concerned tells me just use Mobil 1 or HPL!A 2024 KIA Soul 2.0L MPI iVT, the subject vehicle's owner's manual suggest a brand "KIAENERGIES" and requires "Full Synthetic 0W-20, API SN PLUS/ SP or ILSAC GF-6". The brand "KIAENERGIES" is also printed under the hood in large letters. I am not concerned much about the Brand Name not being available anywhere, not even at the dealerships. But I wonder why KIA would continue to print labels and affix them under the hood and suggest it in the Owner's Manual knowing the Brand isn't available or in use by the dealers. I am concerned however, why when asked, the dealers say they use 0W-20 Pennzoil but cannot comment on the "Full Synthetic 0W-20, API SN PLUS/ SP or ILSAC GF-6" because they say it comes in bulk containers and they don't know. I also wonder what Bob and some of you think about this.
I highly doubt any Pennzoil 0W20 isn't a full synthetic oil. Any current spec 0W20 will be considered a full synthetic oil. Pennzoil is highly regarded on this
I can change the oil myself. But that will not satisfy my curiosity. That's all I'm doing- being curious and talking about oil. An interesting subject.Change it yourself?
Most, if not all of these KIA/Hyundai dealerships won't say or don't know what kind of bulk oil they're selling. Just walk into one of their service departments and ask, and you'll see.
No, you are talking about Kia dealership practices.I can change the oil myself. But that will not satisfy my curiosity. That's all I'm doing- being curious and talking about oil. An interesting subject.
So after the fact no one knows what was delivered nor what is being used on customer vehicles. Not a clue?We knew, and said it.
But the bulk is coming out of a tanker truck into our bulk tank, so no labels to show.
I like to talk bikes too. I've got many ranging from a 1976 Schwinn Paramount to a 2023 Specialized Creo SL - a fantastic bike. but requires no oil.It sounds like you do not trust what is in the Containers, so do not wonder what Bob thinks here, wondering and and being concerned tells me just use Mobil 1 or HPL!
I had a bike from Kia back in 1976, 3 speed, a Schwinn would have been better.
Anything in a Bulk Container will be cheap oil, how much does this 2024 KIA Soul cost?
My next bike was a Sante Fe Huffy, heavy bike, my friend had a Schwinn Le Tour, he let me have it, nice low weight bike.
Nice trip down Memory Lane!
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I didn't think about that. You're probabally right.So after the fact no one knows what was delivered nor what is being used on customer vehicles. Not a clue?
Average people? No!It's Total 0w20. Does the average person need to know more than that?
So after the fact no one knows what was delivered nor what is being used on customer vehicles. Not a clue?
No liability there...So after the fact no one knows what was delivered nor what is being used on customer vehicles. Not a clue?
Thank you for the welcome! The attachment is interesting. Looks like they're using 26350-2J001 oil at that dealership. And that pretty much sums up what I think...best thing to do is to take it in to the dealer for oil changes unless you want to do them yourself. In this way, no warranty claim can be deigned based on improper oil.Welcome to the forum
As for being 100% sure, only you going and seeing the bottle/bulk delivery would clarify it 100%
A neighbor just took a Hyundai into our joint H/K service department, and this is all the R.O gives for specifics
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JeezzSo you just want to have people bash Kia dealerships? As has been noted the only important part is the API license and ILSAC specification.
If you wish to be overly cautious that is the safe route, but make no mistake the dealer will be at fault if they deviate from the Total Quartz - Kia marketing hype partnership. My company used to hawk a tattle tale program against dealers deviating from marketing programs, but guess what, there wasnt much money to make on our end because it was always "exceptions" exceptions". whatever hahaThank you for the welcome! The attachment is interesting. Looks like they're using 26350-2J001 oil at that dealership. And that pretty much sums up what I think...best thing to do is to take it in to the dealer for oil changes unless you want to do them yourself. In this way, no warranty claim can be deigned based on improper oil.
I like to talk bikes too. I've got many ranging from a 1976 Schwinn Paramount to a 2023 Specialized Creo SL - a fantastic bike. but requires no oil.
I waffled a bit (only a slight amount) about using an oil like HPL versus M1 ESP. In the end, the value was not there because:I am having a feeling that HPL might be a tad better than Mobil1 1 ESP, guess I have ta use the HPL oil and come back 2 this Thread!
I waffled a bit (only a slight amount) about using an oil like HPL versus M1 ESP. In the end, the value was not there because:
1. M1 ESP performs very well--stays in grade, resists fuel dilution, low wear metals in UOAs
2. M1 ESP is (more or less) available over the counter versus having to order it
3. Fuel dilution kills long OCIs so it does not make economic sense to use HPL
3. HPL (at least that I see) does not offer a 0W-30 which having one viscosity makes it easier to run year round
4. HPL costs more overall despite the potential for longer OCIs.
For the average Joe like myself, I would be hard pressed to find a better "overall" oil than M1 ESP.
YMMV!