Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
@jrustles:
Meet the professional psychological operations officer.
They literally are everywhere, even on forums just like this.
Wait for it.....
Even IF "they" tell you they don't exist.
Oh those guys litter the major forums and youtube and there are plenty of pages out there to pacify and distract you 'shhhhh, it's okay, it's all right here in this "scientific" article. Read our studies, they can never be falsified or presented misleadingly or out of context'
"This year's tornadic activity was down from last year"
ORLY? "Down" by incident? By severity? Both? Doesn't matter.
The focus is not tornadoes.
Haiyan broke records for size and wind speed. TO turn around and say "yeah well tornadic activity by incident was down" is beyond obfuscation.
Some of the fellas here, at least those directly addressing the issue, are probably just regular people IMO, not shills or spooks.
I know 12 years ago, I may have reacted in a similar manner. I cannot blame them.
For anyone wishing to dismantle my informal, off-the-cuff expose which was composed on the fly (and poorly formatted should I say so myself), they may discover that some of the conclusions drawn are entirely unique; not having been 'drawn' from other people's
"conspiracy theories" ie Dtuchsince. I know who he is, but I don't watch his videos. I've seen what he sees live on TV and on satellite- for years. I don't follow behind conspiracy theorists out there, unless I've indepedently come to the same conclusion. I applaud them, though- it's a very tough thing to do.
The word "bunkem" is a german term and was made popular in the advanced disinformation programs they ran in WW2. I'm not suggesting that these efforts don't still exist, or are the most scientifically advanced they've ever been- they are. The science of disiformation/information control (and other Nazi science) WAS NOT LOST, it is more advanced now than ever. The psychology of control is among one of the most advanced fields of science. Marketers have their hand in the science of psychology as well as the obvious military/govts. This field is among the most funded and established (and desired).
Back to the topic, the use of certain terms are dead giveaways to disinfo. Favourites used by the obfuscators, disinformants include "debunk" as well as terms like "conspiracy theory". "Hoax" is another.
These aren't just terms, they're loaded suggestions.
"Conspiracy theory"
Conspiracy cannot be mentioned without "theory"
Because it's only reasonable to assume that there are no conspiracy facts, and that "conspiracies" should be treated with a heightened level of resistance, to the point where semantics become a viable argument. Because when claims are being made about crimes AGAINST you and your family and everyone you know, who wouldn't want to "debunk" that immediately, without even quietsly considering what's been put before you.
I'm crazy? No no,sir. THAT is crazy.
How horrible is this. The only logical outcome of that voluntary debunk psychology is 'that any person/factions in authority can "conspire" and the people are not entitled to investigate or even question, because that would make them crazy, paranoid and blindly following some other fear monger artist/hoaxer'.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Read this ENTIRE post and refute their evidence with FACTS.
That is nice and noble to read, but what do you accept as fact?
Protip: you'll find it rests as much in "trust" of another faction as religious belief does. The only difference is you were trained to trust one faction, as the religious person was made to trust another. As though both the name of "science" and "religion" cannot be equally corrupted, used for evil and to mislead. As if.
To assume that there would not be a wealth of disinformation ready for volunteer debunkers to cite, is naive at best.
Lets examine the personal gain theorum:
>"Dutchince" has personal gain, maybe from youtube views
>The parnoid conspiracy nut - having a tough time thinking what this person could gain, vs what he's risking. Perhaps a moment of screen name fame? That's enough to invite incredulous behaviour and trouble into your life for squaking. Right?
>The alleged perpetrators, with advanced, confidential technologies operated by paid, compartmentalized individuals who know just what they need to know and are bound to confidentiality and a salary. It may occur to some of these people what is happening, but they will not risk their lives/livelihood ever talking about it. Those that do leak, are a minority and are just brushed off as crazy. The scam takes care of itself, and the
people themselves police the others.
Jon Stewart:
"HWHUT?! HWWWHUUUUUTT?? HWHUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTT????
To think that the hoarders of advanced technologies that entrain and control of the atmospheric enegies to the point they can artfully control basic weather systems, LONG TERM, not just short, and use them as weapons of war in a world
where people could not even imagine these forces could be used as weapons of war -- would be EXPECTED to be forthcoming and open, disclosing the cutting edge of 50-100yr advanced technologies to the public is just---- beyond words. Like, do you understand what a MILITARY does?! Is there any reasonable human being that would expect that and use their failure to disclose information that as an argument against it's existence? That's one of the toughest things to watch.
Who really has the most at stake here? Who really would have the MO and resources to diseminate disinformation for the average person to pull up and trip over, should they happen to be coersed into considering something of such scale, such sensitivity.
The winner in this personal gain scheme, yeah, probably the independent conspiracy nut.
Question: HOW DO YOU GUYS LIKE THE COLD?
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sfc_con.php?image=na&inv=0&t=cur
Parts of Texas were consistenly colder than Toronto. Parts of Texas are, right now, colder than Toronto. Seems about right, nothing to see here, that's just winter for ya (it's not even). hur dur
Anyone up for 500MPH winds in their lifetime? Stupidly localised earthquakes on inactive fault lines or no fault line at all? More to come!
Also, to touch on 'climate change'. I do not believe the Earth is warming as an act of itself. In fact, the opposite. It may be cooling in response to such a long period of artificial warming if one were to hypothesize a feedback mechanism.
"Climate change" as a terminaology is more apt than anyone would imagine. It went from "global warming" to "climate change" because it's not only about them intentionally warming the globe (by the use of aerosols), but now more generally changing the climate. You can't call them liars for using these terms!
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I've been a member of this board over a decade and a lot of people know me. You've asserted I am a covert officer before and frankly it is hilarious, but I don't appreciate it.
I appreciate the truth. the real truth and not blatantly debunked bull [censored] artists who fear monger people into believing non sense, for their own personal gain like that guy Dutchsinse does. I along with many others have done a lot of work debunking his [censored] about HARP rings and the rest.
It's HAARP. HAARP is one of the most popular energy weapons that the general public knows about. Another known one is EISCAT. There are now well over 100 strategically placed ground based energy weapons in existence, including in atlantic canada, eastern africa, the caribbean and of course russia.
HAARP to regular people has become synonymous to "ground based energy weapon", and all observed artifacts of the usage of these devices the lay person will just call "HAARP".
The rings seen on Infrared Satellites are in fact geostationary DEW satellites. (just when you thought it couldn't get any crazier, right?)
They appear on INFRARED radars because that's exacly what infrared satelites detect- INFRARED. HEAT. If you point a "flashlight" of energy down to the earth, the energy will be ABSORBED by the atmosphere or an anthropomorphically laid aerosol layer, and liberate HEAT, which not only has atmospheric effect, but shows up on, yeah.. that INFRARED RADAR.
I HAVE SEEN LIVE, UNCUT, DURING HURICANES OF THE PAST YEARS HOW THESE POLKA DOTS ARE ARRANGED IN GRIDS TO DIRECT, FEED, STALL THE HURRICANE SYSTEM AS IT TRACKS ACROSS LAND, SO AS TO SUSTAIN THEM, AS THEY NO LONGER HAVE OCEAN WATER TO PICK UP FROM. I HAVE SERIES OF IMAGES THAT CLEARLY DISPLAY THIS. THERE IS LITERALLY NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR THEM TO BE COORDINATEDLY FOLLOWING THESE HURRICANE REMNANTS. 'ARTIFACTING' AND 'NOISE' ARE THE LAMEST, MOST OUTRAGEOUS RED HERRINGS I'VE EVER READ IN THE FACE OF WITNESSING THESE OPERATIONS.
Quote:
If you want to
live your life in fear of "them", that is your choice, but an objective reality of most conspiracies does exist, and when you research the real truth behind them, and more importantly, the people who concoct them, you will be awakened.
Fear is the primary response. Knowledge and understanding destroy fear, and and just allow one to more accurately plan the ways they can protect themselves.
Quote:
I will provide you with a plethora of FACTS debunking all the HAARP weather modification non sense, but people like you won't even contemplate that you're being had by total bull [censored] artist frauds like Dutchsinse.
Lots of "debunk" disinfo out there. Your trust in them (which is all it is), does not make them fact, however. Read above.
Quote:
Frankly calling anyone who disagrees with you a covert operative is embarrassing and the utter antithesis of free thought. It means your mind is so closed to reality, you won't even start the process of looking at all sides of an issue, because you are afraid to find out the world isn't full of cabalsters and secret organizations controlling the weather or hiding the reality about UFOs. In reality, you will realize that most of the people that put out these conspiracies are the nefarious actors who are pulling your strings and manipulating you like a child, for their own personal gain. That is where your anger and distrust should be pointed.
There are plenty of shills out there. Many are unpaid regular people who are motivated by their adversion to fundamentally reality changing information, or their deeply ingrained "service" training and others actually get paid to troll forums all day for "conspiracy nuts", we don't.
Quote:
By the way, can you provide ANY objective evidence the US government pays people to put out disinformation on such places as a motor oil forum, for the sole purpose of guiding the general populace away from "the truth"?
Right, because if there was any supply of objective evidence regarding shillery and disinformation, it would readily be aggregated and available to anyone who requested it.
COME ON BRO!!!!!
