ST All mileage isn't dexos certified. I am not the one that keeps implying that my thread was political. Again have not several of those that have posted not questioned the new ownership of Fram? How many Have questions the ADBV being possibly changed? Have some not questioned the new ownership of Valvoline? We're they political because the name of the new owners were mentioned? Yes I know that there are different kinds of moly, yes I know that there are different additives and yes I know that there are different elements. It just seems odd to me that since its under new ownership that things have changed. There is a difference to some when it comes to an oil when it says that it exceeds SP and all previous categories and ST saying it meets them. As I said in an earlier post,if they had been read by some, that this may be the new norm and if it is, the majors will lower or change their additives also. If they don't then it looks to me like ST is being made cheaper. Why is that hard for some to understand?