Slingshot for home defence?

[Olas]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Olas
With the exception of full automatics and rpg's/grenade launchers, you can have pretty much whatever you can show that you need.


Which speaks volumes of course. You don't have a right to own them, do you?

What about if you don't have a need or don't wish to share the need with anyone? What if someone doesn't agree that your need meets their standard for "need"?


If you don't have a need, or a need that you don't wish to share then you have two options. You tell the firearms licensing officer from our local police force that
"I need a full auto submarine gun but I don't want to tell you why"
And he doesn't grant you the certificate, or, you go to the black market.

Similary, if the FLO doesn't agree that your need meets the standard, he doesn't issue the certificate.

By the same token, do you have the right to drive? Or the right to drink clean water? Why the licensing or paying for a right?

 

[hatt]

I see the queen has her heel applied to one of her subject's neck.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: kschachn
What about if you don't have a need or don't wish to share the need with anyone? What if someone doesn't agree that your need meets their standard for "need"?

If you don't have a need, or a need that you don't wish to share then you have two options. You tell the firearms licensing officer from our local police force that
"I need a full auto submarine gun but I don't want to tell you why"
And he doesn't grant you the certificate, or, you go to the black market.

Similarly, if the FLO doesn't agree that your need meets the standard, he doesn't issue the certificate.

By the same token, do you have the right to drive? Or the right to drink clean water? Why the licensing or paying for a right?


Well I wasn't referring to owning sub-machine guns in my comments and I think you knew that. I only meant for the types of firearms you were talking about in your post. Here in the US you also have to show a "need" for automatic weapons, although as long as your criminal background is clean pretty much anyone can own them.

And of course I understand this subject is one of the reasons things went sour 240 years ago. We don't have a right to those other things you state (driving a car, clean water, etc.) but I also don't have to show anyone "why" I want a driver's license either.

 

[Olas]

The sub machine gun comment was a touch sensational but the point remains, you have to demonstrate a need, not just a want.

It doesn't really make a hoot of difference to me, the majority of my shooting is a spring piston air rifle. The only exception being a friend with land who lets me shoot his .410, 12g., 22lr and .223 but that's only maybe once a year.

Washed, weighed and sorted by head size ammunition at one penny per round and sub-moa to 55 yds if the wind isn't making life difficult, 14 grains at 600fps is my area of interest.

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
The sound of a Winchester pump being charged is a lot more low life deterring than saying "stop, I've got a sling shot".

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Olas
.........you can have pretty much whatever you can show that you need.






The 'who' part of your question is the firearms licensing officer of your local police force.


What if you tell him you need a firearm to protect yourself against him in case he goes beserk? What guarantees his mental stability? The suicide rate for police officers is very high.

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: kschachn

With the exception of full automatics and rpg's/grenade launchers, you can have pretty much whatever you can show that you need.



Similary, if the FLO doesn't agree that your need meets the standard, he doesn't issue the certificate.

By the same token, do you have the right to drive? Or the right to drink clean water? Why the licensing or paying for a right?


Driving a car and polluted water are more dangerous to the public than firearms.

 

[billt460]

Your "need" may not be adequate....... Say's who? Some cop?

 

[BRZED]

Originally Posted By: billt460
Your "need" may not be adequate....... Say's who? Some cop?


You just have to be rich or a VIP. In other words, if you are considered a target for robbery or kidnapping, you're good.

 

[Olas]

Originally Posted By: BRZED
Originally Posted By: billt460
Your "need" may not be adequate....... Say's who? Some cop?


You just have to be rich or a VIP. In other words, if you are considered a target for robbery or kidnapping, you're good.


Like a lot of things, it's not what you know but who you know.

 

[Olas]

Originally Posted By: billt460
Your "need" may not be adequate....... Say's who? Some cop?


Yep, says some cop. Albeit following government guidelines and criteria, but 'some cop' nonetheless.

 

[Olas]

Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: kschachn

With the exception of full automatics and rpg's/grenade launchers, you can have pretty much whatever you can show that you need.



Similary, if the FLO doesn't agree that your need meets the standard, he doesn't issue the certificate.

By the same token, do you have the right to drive? Or the right to drink clean water? Why the licensing or paying for a right?


Driving a car and polluted water are more dangerous to the public than firearms.


I agree 100%

 

[Olas]

Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Olas
.........you can have pretty much whatever you can show that you need.






The 'who' part of your question is the firearms licensing officer of your local police force.


What if you tell him you need a firearm to protect yourself against him in case he goes beserk? What guarantees his mental stability? The suicide rate for police officers is very high.


He follows the guidelines and criteria set by the government.

 

[Neely97]

I feel the need to take a couple of the Garands to the range tomorrow.

 

[OneEyeJack]

The talk about gun ownership and gun violence in America is a bit out of context. In America gun violence has gone down dramatically since the mid 1990's but the media coverage makes it appear as if it's not only up, but out of control.

Link

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Olas
....Yep, says some cop. Albeit following government guidelines and criteria, but 'some cop' nonetheless.


Originally Posted By: Olas
He follows the guidelines and criteria set by the government.


We had that problem with getting licenses to carry concealed in this country for many years. It used to be up to the, "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" if one would be issued to the citizen, or not. A lot of this was based on the citizen "showing a need". As a direct result very few people were granted them.

Two reasons. First is self protection wasn't considered a "need" by most police departments. That was their job. Or so was the attitude of many of them. Most of whom didn't believe the fact, "When seconds count, police are just minutes away". Second was the fact many of the larger inner city police agencies were very political. With the Chief Of Police being appointed by the Mayor, who wants to advance his or her political agenda. In most large cities, (where you really need to carry concealed, not in the mountains of Montana), anti gun liberal Democrats were usually elected in places like Chicago, New York, Detroit, and Los Angeles. They hated guns, period. So guess what? No permits. Unless of course you were a personal friend of the Mayor. Or else knew someone, who knew someone, etc.

Then Florida passed the nations first real concealed carry law that had any teeth, so to speak. The crime rate plummeted, which was out of control among tourists, to the point people were vacationing elsewhere. Then other states saw the success Florida was having, and passed similar laws that easily granted these permits by taking politics and authority out of the equation, and replacing it with one's Second Amendment rights. Now, most all states have adopted some type of concealed carry permit system. All with great success.

Much to the dismay of the gun hating, liberal socialist Democrats, who soon found out their predictions of, "shootouts over minor traffic accidents", never took place. No matter how much they wished or wanted it to. In fact, most everything the liberal socialists have preached about gun control has been proven to be nothing more than a big lie. That is why it is becoming less popular with most citizens, both Republican and Democrat, with every passing election.

 

[Shannow]

Those slingshots would get you $10,000 fine and/or 2 years in jail down here....

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: billt460

Then Florida passed the nations first real concealed carry law that had any teeth, so to speak. The crime rate plummeted, which was out of control among tourists, to the point people were vacationing elsewhere. Then other states saw the success Florida was having, and passed similar laws that easily granted these permits by taking politics and authority out of the equation,

I am, fairly certain that litigation by citizens throughout the county changed things to mostly "Shall Issue" (In free states) The system was unfair, discriminatory, and ripe with corruption.

I won't comment why the left leaning states get away with this corruptive behavior.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
The talk about gun ownership and gun violence in America is a bit out of context. In America gun violence has gone down dramatically since the mid 1990's but the media coverage makes it appear as if it's not only up, but out of control.

Link
The news media, politicians, and police orgs, are really hammering the police shootings lately. If you didn't know better you'd think cops were piling up in the thousands. If you look at the actual numbers police murders are down from last year. The numbers are never mentioned.

 

[OneEyeJack]

Here is an example of the government's plans to implement gun control.


Link