Large SUV's

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Besides fuel costs large SUV's/trucks generally have a low ownership cost and better longevity then many vehicles.

My parents have a had loaded to hilt 1987 Suburban 4wd 2500 for 15 years and now 2000 Tundra 4wd. Both have actually only had starter issues thus far and rot. Their Subaru's seemed to have more problems although considered average for a passenger car.
 
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
What this thread and some other on here remind me of lately.
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I don't worry about what anyone else drives. I make my own money and buy what I want I am sure the rest of you do too.


I agree with you 100%. I do not drive the Disco because of fuel economy. I drive it because I enjoy it regardless of fuel prices. I find it funny how people are quick to judge how other people spend their money and criticize others for what they drive.
 
My truck is pretty cheap to own, insure and maintain. Gas however is another story 15 to 17 mpg empty.

7 to 9 towing the trailer.
34 Gallon tank, wish it were bigger when I tow, less stops.
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I don't concern myself with MPGs when towing or using the truck. It takes 6 quarts of oil and about the same amount of coolant as the Trans Am. Brakes last a LONG time. Seems to be that way on most trucks. The Transmission and Converter take 14.0 to 14.5 quarts.
 
There's always the right tool for the job. Trucks have a legitimate role to play. I knew a lot of folks who had a truck used as an "occasional" vehicle maybe 1-2 times a week. Those folks drove cars for the long-distance highway commutes carrying the driver and lunch. They took the trucks to do things like tow that couldn't be done with the car. Made a lot of sense to me.
 
The previa was a pita to work on. I had to drop the engine fro the bottom on one to decarb the egr passages. It was one that came in for smog check at work and had hi NOx.
 
Originally Posted By: supton

But fleet usage is not typical of consumer usage. Not many of us here drive our cars as if they were a rental. The public at large might, but not the typical BITOG'er. Hence the double-take, as most here know a Prius has lower fuel costs over 300kmiles than a Tahoe, even with a battery replacement thrown in for good measure.


But with some of us regular, non fleet consumer users, that great mpg of the Prius is of little use if one cannot even get to town from a rural home in it. It is extremely myopic of anyone, to claim what another person should or shouldn't have, as we all have different situations that require different solutions. So many folks in this country, especially politicians and the so-called educated elite, seem to feel they have a lock on what others need in the form of basic transportation. This socialistic, collective, we know what is best for you, one size fits all stuff that seems to permeate societal thought today is truly sad. And some folks don't have the luxury of buying 10 different vehicles to match up to each situation. Some are limited to one or two at most, so that vehicle is going to have multitask to meet all of their needs.
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
There's always the right tool for the job. Trucks have a legitimate role to play. I knew a lot of folks who had a truck used as an "occasional" vehicle maybe 1-2 times a week. Those folks drove cars for the long-distance highway commutes carrying the driver and lunch. They took the trucks to do things like tow that couldn't be done with the car. Made a lot of sense to me.

Very well put and excellent points. This is true of me. I bought my F150 to haul things in - NOT a daily driver.
I'm often amused by people who criticize others for driving such a "big gas guzzling vehicle" - but who do you think they call when something they want to buy will not fit into their econobox car.
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Edit: I also agree with Tiredtrucker.
 
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You can't use fuel prices as the sole measure as to why people start/stop buying certain types of cars. If that was the case, why didn't the sales of full size, body on frame cars rise in the 90's when fuel prices stabilized? Oh, right, there weren't that many models left rolling off the assembly line.

2005-2008 weren't just years for rising fuel prices, but arguably the first real successful years for crossover SUV's and hybrids. The federal government was supporting their purchases with tax incentives, and manufacturer's were offering their own discounts to spur purchases. Add fuel to the fire with cash for clunkers, and you've created an environment that spurs the manufacture and sales of fuel efficient vehicles, and shifts demand away from vehicles without incentives and lower fuel efficiency.

Times changed, and people wanted the latest trendy vehicles that not only saved them cash at the pump, but were literally given cash (via the giv. and mfr. incentives) to buy.

On the flip side, I think we'll see a slight reversal of the trend with the new Tahoe, Suburban and Escalade, they've been recently redesigned and have a strong marketing campaign.

Ford hasn't really invested anything into the Expedition since it's complete redesign in 2003, and it's facelift/interior enhancement in 2007. As a matter of fact, it still had the 5.4 until this past year's 2014 model, which saw the Ecoboost and 5.0 V8 introduced along with yet another minor facelift.
 
Originally Posted By: Fordtrucktexan
You can't use fuel prices as the sole measure as to why people start/stop buying certain types of cars.


Absolutely right, though Ill admit that 85c gas in 1998 was somewhat of a justification for me to buy a pickup versus a car at that time...

But subsequently, the quest for economical operation and lowest fuel cost has always been a major factor. Vehicles with minimal additional utility (to the user) are just wasteful if they create a higher recurring fuel bill. Doesnt mean the vehicles dont have their place, just not a place pulling dollars from my wallet.
 
You have to love all of the self-righteous busybodies who want to tell people how to live- what to eat, what to drive, etc....

I desperately hope the whole bunch of bunch of hand-wringing bedwetters are condemned to eternal torment.

Buy/drive whatever the the heck you want- it's none of my business whatsoever!
All I ask is that you accord me the same courtesy.
 
Originally Posted By: MCompact
You have to love all of the self-righteous busybodies who want to tell people how to live- what to eat, what to drive, etc....

I desperately hope the whole bunch of bunch of hand-wringing bedwetters are condemned to eternal torment.

Buy/drive whatever the the heck you want- it's none of my business whatsoever!
All I ask is that you accord me the same courtesy.



X a million! Used to be a concept called freedom of choice. The entire "busybody what someone else is doing" thing is politically driven and has a clear agenda of homogenization...
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: MCompact
You have to love all of the self-righteous busybodies who want to tell people how to live- what to eat, what to drive, etc....

I desperately hope the whole bunch of bunch of hand-wringing bedwetters are condemned to eternal torment.

Buy/drive whatever the the heck you want- it's none of my business whatsoever!
All I ask is that you accord me the same courtesy.



X a million! Used to be a concept called freedom of choice. The entire "busybody what someone else is doing" thing is politically driven and has a clear agenda of homogenization...


Yea baby. Last time I checked I was living in the US of A. If I can afford it and I want it, I buy it. That's what busting my butt my whole life workin hard affords me. The last thing you'll ever hear me tell someone is the car, truck, or SUV they bought was a waste of money.-RD
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: MCompact
You have to love all of the self-righteous busybodies who want to tell people how to live- what to eat, what to drive, etc....

I desperately hope the whole bunch of bunch of hand-wringing bedwetters are condemned to eternal torment.

Buy/drive whatever the the heck you want- it's none of my business whatsoever!
All I ask is that you accord me the same courtesy.



X a million! Used to be a concept called freedom of choice. The entire "busybody what someone else is doing" thing is politically driven and has a clear agenda of homogenization...


Yup. It's part of being a good 'Libertarian'. So long as the things you do don't effect me personally, either environmentally or financially, what you do is your business and none of mine.
 
Bravo! Now we're talkin'. I love Americanism. Show me another system that has given us as many choices. Oh... there are none. Just like during the American Revolution, there were folks here who wanted the heavy hand of Britain to remain, there will always be those around us that want to control our lives, and try to use government to do it. The price of freedom in eternal vigilance.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: MCompact
You have to love all of the self-righteous busybodies who want to tell people how to live- what to eat, what to drive, etc....

I desperately hope the whole bunch of bunch of hand-wringing bedwetters are condemned to eternal torment.

Buy/drive whatever the the heck you want- it's none of my business whatsoever!
All I ask is that you accord me the same courtesy.



X a million! Used to be a concept called freedom of choice. The entire "busybody what someone else is doing" thing is politically driven and has a clear agenda of homogenization...


Add me to that million plus list!
 
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Bravo! Now we're talkin'. I love Americanism. Show me another system that has given us as many choices. Oh... there are none. Just like during the American Revolution, there were folks here who wanted the heavy hand of Britain to remain, there will always be those around us that want to control our lives, and try to use government to do it. The price of freedom in eternal vigilance.


That last line is a GEM!
 
I don't know what eternal vigilance has to do with being able to drive a large SUV but we'll go ahead and run with that..and I'm likely farther to the right than most. The rise of the SUV is likely more closely tied to the unit profits the manufacturers could get from them combined with a "public wants what the public gets" type of consumerism. "Choice" might be a qualified term here. I'm all for bringing back the big station wagons myself. I have no problem with someone driving a large SUV but I do know they're a pain in the *** to see around and I don't particularly like finding myself in "SUV Canyon" between a Yukon and a Navigator and trying to back out in a busy parking lot. I think it can be pretty apolitical not to like SUVs on a lot of fronts. I do know that some s***bags around here have dropped their Suburbans/Yukons for a Prius or Leaf and continue to drive in the same 'vehicle as weapon' style they did when they were sitting on 6000 lbs. of vehicle. It's always to good to see them run off the road....
 
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: MCompact
You have to love all of the self-righteous busybodies who want to tell people how to live- what to eat, what to drive, etc....

I desperately hope the whole bunch of bunch of hand-wringing bedwetters are condemned to eternal torment.

Buy/drive whatever the the heck you want- it's none of my business whatsoever!
All I ask is that you accord me the same courtesy.



X a million! Used to be a concept called freedom of choice. The entire "busybody what someone else is doing" thing is politically driven and has a clear agenda of homogenization...


Yea baby. Last time I checked I was living in the US of A. If I can afford it and I want it, I buy it. That's what busting my butt my whole life workin hard affords me. The last thing you'll ever hear me tell someone is the car, truck, or SUV they bought was a waste of money.-RD



Total agreement.
 
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Bravo! Now we're talkin'. I love Americanism. Show me another system that has given us as many choices. Oh... there are none. Just like during the American Revolution, there were folks here who wanted the heavy hand of Britain to remain, there will always be those around us that want to control our lives, and try to use government to do it. The price of freedom in eternal vigilance.



This too.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: MCompact
You have to love all of the self-righteous busybodies who want to tell people how to live- what to eat, what to drive, etc....

I desperately hope the whole bunch of bunch of hand-wringing bedwetters are condemned to eternal torment.

Buy/drive whatever the the heck you want- it's none of my business whatsoever!
All I ask is that you accord me the same courtesy.



X a million! Used to be a concept called freedom of choice. The entire "busybody what someone else is doing" thing is politically driven and has a clear agenda of homogenization...


Add me to that million plus list!


Me too.
 
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