Silicone can be made in a variety of colors, including black.
Champ XL vs. "new" Fram Ultra?
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Silicone can be made in a variety of colors, including black.
There was a thread a while back about some Tough Guards or something ( I don't remember specifically but it was Fram) where the ADBVs were nitrile (or at least black), assuming because of production shortages. It's possible the XL could have been the same thing since they are both owned by FB. It didn't seem to last long, maybe a month or two.
You're right, I remember reading the post also. I believe it was on the Supertech ADBVs being black versus blue due to shortages.?
I see. I feel like most people buying online though buy in bulk or multiples whereas people in store might just buy. Anyway to put an addendum or something where “if you bought 5, this would be bulk price?”
I don't think there's really any place that sells Champ XLs retail, unless you count the Motomaster OE Plus filters they sell at Canadian Tire or I think the STP Extended Life filters at Autozone are now rebadged Champ XLs.
98.7% is known/defined as the "absolute" efficiency and is sometimes just rounded up to 99%.
Get out the lighter and find out.
Received a response from Champs engineering confirming this info.
amazon has certain ones, but they are $$$
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Nobody could ever be sure about all louvers being open and a black adbv being silicone (which in most cases I would wager they are absolutely not) when going to buy a filter.. so orange advb and wide open holes should be a prerequisite IMO when buying a mid-range to upper priced filter. .. Why even wonder about it??
Nobody could ever be sure about all louvers being open and a black adbv being silicone (which in most cases I would wager they are absolutely not) when going to buy a filter.. so orange advb and wide open holes should be a prerequisite IMO when buying a mid-range to upper priced filter. .. Why even wonder about it??
Tyman,
You inspired an idea. I added columns for price and shipping so people can see what makes up the total price. Thank you for the feedback.
That’s awesome. Thank you! It definitely helps buying in bulk, especially on them at less than $4.
Did Champ confirm the black ADBV is silicone?
I emailed them last night as I'm also interested in ordering the Champ XL version of the 7317
I wrote how @JTK posted that he got black ADBV's when buying the PH2867XL and I wanted to know if it's silicone or nitrile.
Apparently it's silicone.
I’d use one of the champ XL before the new style filters personally. Just stay clear of the new WIX PROTEC.
No, the email I received confirmed that the black ones were nitrile.
silcate, eh?
The Champion XL and the Fram Ultra are both 99% and 20 microns. So in my opinion its a simple cost decision.
The Ultra likely has a higher holding capacity the Champ XL is more comperable to a Tough Guard.
The oil filter world has become a wild west.
Bought 4 Fram Titanium's today (FS7317). 3 have holes and one has louvres.
Any idea what the media looks like in the fs7317 with louvers, does it look like it may be similar to the Royal Purple or Fram Synthetic Endurance filters? I know some people have seen ph7317s with ecore and Fram seems to be trying to cut out the 4386 size so maybe they're making all the 7317 filters at Champion Labs factories now?
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