-54C Pour Point and high PAO content

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Originally Posted By: Iain

I've been running current fill viscosity since 2006. PDS from that time indicate -54C pour point. Current PDS doesn't list that parameter but AFAICT, formulation hasn't changed; only packaging and marketing strategy has changed for that product.

Exxon-Mobil Corporation wrote in 2006:
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Mobil 1 0W-30 Search Find an MSDS


Mobil 1 0W-30 Pdf

Advanced high performance synthetic engine oil Print View



Product DescriptionFeatures and BenefitsApplicationsSpecifications and
ApprovalsTypical PropertiesHealth and Safety

Product Description

Mobil 1 0W-30 is an advanced high performance synthetic engine oil
designed to provide outstanding wear protection and enhanced fuel
economy performance. Mobil 1 0W-30 exceeds the requirements of the
latest industry standards required by newer modern gasoline and
certain diesel powered automobile engines. Mobil 1 technology is
race proven and is the choice of race car drivers around the world.
Mobil 1 0W-30 is perfect for all types of driving anywhere in the
world and has the performance to protect where conventional engine
oils do not.


Features and Benefits

Mobil 1 0W-30 is made with a proprietary blend of ultra high
performance synthetic basestocks fortified with Supersyn Antiwear
Technology, the most advanced additive system available today. Mobil
1 0W-30, enhanced fuel economy formula, is uniquely designed to
provide unsurpassed levels of protection, especially at start-up in
the coldest environments for reduced engine wear. The oil meets all
of the industry standards for fuel economy, helping to save fuel and
reducing CO2 exhaust emissions. Key features and benefits include:



Features
Advantages and Potential Benefits
Active cleaning agents Prevents deposits and sludge build-up
to enable long and clean engine life
Outstanding thermal and oxidation stability Reduces oil ageing
allowing extended drain interval protection
Enhanced frictional properties Greater fuel economy
Excellent low temperature capabilities Quick cold weather
starting and fast protection
Extended engine and electrical system life
High Viscosity Index and Supersyn Antiwear Technology
Excellent overall lubrication and wear protection performance
for all driving styles and conditions

Applications

Mobil 1 0W-30 is recommended for all types of modern vehicles,
including high-performance turbo-charged, supercharged gasoline and
diesel multi-valve fuel injected engines found in passenger cars,
SUVs, light vans and trucks.
Mobil 1 0W-30 is especially suitable for extreme conditions, where
conventional oil often cannot perform.
Mobil 1 is not recommended for 2-Cycle or aviation engines, unless
specifically approved by the manufacturer.


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Specifications and Approvals

Mobil 1 0W-30 meets or exceeds the following industry
specifications

ACEAA1,B1
APISM,SL,SJ,EC,CF
ILSACGF4
Ford WWSM2C929-A
General MotorsGM 4718M,GM6094M
ChryslerMS 6395


Typical Properties

Mobil 1 0W-30

SAE Grade0W-30
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 63.1
cSt @ 100ºC 11.0
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 169
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 10
HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150ºC ASTM D 4683 2.99
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 228
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.845







You are saying you have been running Mobil 1 0W-30 since that was published?

Doesn't that document refer to the version of 0W-30 prior to the green cap AFE?
 
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: Iain

I've been running current fill viscosity since 2006. PDS from that time indicate -54C pour point. Current PDS doesn't list that parameter but AFAICT, formulation hasn't changed; only packaging and marketing strategy has changed for that product.

Exxon-Mobil Corporation wrote in 2006:
Quote:
Mobil 1 0W-30 Search Find an MSDS


Mobil 1 0W-30 Pdf

Advanced high performance synthetic engine oil Print View



Product DescriptionFeatures and BenefitsApplicationsSpecifications and
ApprovalsTypical PropertiesHealth and Safety

Product Description

Mobil 1 0W-30 is an advanced high performance synthetic engine oil
designed to provide outstanding wear protection and enhanced fuel
economy performance. Mobil 1 0W-30 exceeds the requirements of the
latest industry standards required by newer modern gasoline and
certain diesel powered automobile engines. Mobil 1 technology is
race proven and is the choice of race car drivers around the world.
Mobil 1 0W-30 is perfect for all types of driving anywhere in the
world and has the performance to protect where conventional engine
oils do not.


Features and Benefits

Mobil 1 0W-30 is made with a proprietary blend of ultra high
performance synthetic basestocks fortified with Supersyn Antiwear
Technology, the most advanced additive system available today. Mobil
1 0W-30, enhanced fuel economy formula, is uniquely designed to
provide unsurpassed levels of protection, especially at start-up in
the coldest environments for reduced engine wear. The oil meets all
of the industry standards for fuel economy, helping to save fuel and
reducing CO2 exhaust emissions. Key features and benefits include:



Features
Advantages and Potential Benefits
Active cleaning agents Prevents deposits and sludge build-up
to enable long and clean engine life
Outstanding thermal and oxidation stability Reduces oil ageing
allowing extended drain interval protection
Enhanced frictional properties Greater fuel economy
Excellent low temperature capabilities Quick cold weather
starting and fast protection
Extended engine and electrical system life
High Viscosity Index and Supersyn Antiwear Technology
Excellent overall lubrication and wear protection performance
for all driving styles and conditions

Applications

Mobil 1 0W-30 is recommended for all types of modern vehicles,
including high-performance turbo-charged, supercharged gasoline and
diesel multi-valve fuel injected engines found in passenger cars,
SUVs, light vans and trucks.
Mobil 1 0W-30 is especially suitable for extreme conditions, where
conventional oil often cannot perform.
Mobil 1 is not recommended for 2-Cycle or aviation engines, unless
specifically approved by the manufacturer.


Back to Top

Specifications and Approvals

Mobil 1 0W-30 meets or exceeds the following industry
specifications

ACEAA1,B1
APISM,SL,SJ,EC,CF
ILSACGF4
Ford WWSM2C929-A
General MotorsGM 4718M,GM6094M
ChryslerMS 6395


Typical Properties

Mobil 1 0W-30

SAE Grade0W-30
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 63.1
cSt @ 100ºC 11.0
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 169
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 10
HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150ºC ASTM D 4683 2.99
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 228
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.845







You are saying you have been running Mobil 1 0W-30 since that was published?

Doesn't that document refer to the version of 0W-30 prior to the green cap AFE?


Formulation hasn't changed from that of 2006. Only changes have been packaging and marketing strategy.

It's not hard to see why that is. At that time 0W-30 was not selling well because of marketing issues of it. SL to SM reformulation occurred in 2004.
 
Originally Posted By: Iain


Formulation hasn't changed from that of 2006. Only changes have been packaging and marketing strategy.

It's not hard to see why that is. At that time 0W-30 was not selling well because of marketing issues of it. SL to SM reformulation occurred in 2004.


I do believe that the formula could very well be the same. However, if you follow the link from the Mobil 1 page for their MSDS it shows a pour point of -45C :

http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/psims/AlternateFormat.aspx?DocumentID=354580&DocumentFormat=RTF

I guess it could be a typographical error? Since it is the reverse of -54C.
 
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: Iain


Formulation hasn't changed from that of 2006. Only changes have been packaging and marketing strategy.

It's not hard to see why that is. At that time 0W-30 was not selling well because of marketing issues of it. SL to SM reformulation occurred in 2004.


I do believe that the formula could very well be the same. However, if you follow the link from the Mobil 1 page for their MSDS it shows a pour point of -45C :

http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/psims/AlternateFormat.aspx?DocumentID=354580&DocumentFormat=RTF

I guess it could be a typographical error? Since it is the reverse of -54C.

Boy would that be great if you were right.
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,oil is performing very very well for me.
 
If you go to the MSDS pages from Japan, they break down the % base oils.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
If you go to the MSDS pages from Japan, they break down the % base oils.

But is it the same formula for the states Buster? member reading adout this someplace.
 
Based on %'s they list, it wouldn't surprise me if M1 contained a good amount of Grp V base oils.
 
Anyone have some really old Mobil 1 MSD sheets. Like before the Castrol lawsuit? I'd love to see how many weights had -54C as the pour point.
 
Do you really think an oil company's formulation which is secret to them can be found in a MSDS sheet?
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
Do you really think an oil company's formulation which is secret to them can be found in a MSDS sheet?


No. But if you read between the lines of PDS, hints of quality or lack of, will be readily apparent.
 
SSO supposedly uses XOM's top of the line PAO.

It wouldn't surprise me if Ike is another reason why Mobil is using more Grp III in their oils, in addition to cost.
 
I know Amsoil buys their basestocks from XOM. So I wouldn't be surprised...

I tell you my Santa Fe just doesn't run the same with any other oil as it does on Amsoil. It's not that I'm heck-bent on Amsoil, because I run other brands in other vehicles, but for the Santa Fe its Amsoil or nothing... So I stick with it!
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