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#1635240 - 10/17/09 03:01 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: The Critic]
AzFireGuy79 Offline


Registered: 03/08/08
Posts: 1286
Loc: Arizona
Keep in mind you cannot compare amsoil and Redline. Amsoil has always been the extended drain company. Their oils are setup to perfrom at extremely long intervals. redline on the other hand is a company who is well known in the racing circles and has many over additized oils(not a bad thing) and they are one of the last here in the states making a POE based oil.

A UOA as many of you realize will not show superiority here. I ran SSO in both of my Toyotas and personally dont like it in those vehicles. RL 5w-30 is about ten times more quiet and the engines have smoothed out condiderably.
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#1635360 - 10/17/09 04:58 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: AzFireGuy79]
qship1996 Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 740
Loc: md
I purchased 8 quarts of Redline 0w-30 to replace the 10w-30 Redline currently in the sump, along with a Pure One oil filter- hopefully I will get to the oil change by the end of October- interested to see if there is any difference in using the ow-30 in the winter as compared to the 5w-30 I normally use {I have used Redline oil exclusively for the last 150,000+ miles in this car}

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#1635370 - 10/17/09 05:08 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: JohnBrowning]
Ragin_Diesel Offline


Registered: 10/17/09
Posts: 63
Loc: Arizona
I am an amsoil dealer, but don't hold it above the others in quality. Basically I try to stay open minded about other products and newer formulations. This being said, what would the major differences be between the redline 5-30 and Amsoil 5-30? Does the redline clean better?

Here my reason for this question. We just bought an 99 F150 for a family member. I was thinking of going the ARX route with it, but would redline be a better option?
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#1635375 - 10/17/09 05:12 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: ADFD1]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 15085
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Ragin_Diesel
Have your UOA looked good in the passed? Your Sig says you have been using SSO, thats a tough product to beat. Either way you'll be happy and so will your vehicle


The SSO UOA's are excellent. They are posted here. I'm always experimenting and I will let you know how it compares to SSO.

Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Interested in the results, making a case for my father to switch to RL from Amsoil, and save the $20 PC fee. Hope it works for you!


I will let you know how it goes...


I put it in about 2 hours ago and went out shopping and errand running. So far I'm impressed. The oil pressure gauge was showing over 100 PSI on a cold engine. (Amsoil was about 85-90) Then once it was warmed up to operating temperature (30KM of driving) it was sitting at 65 PSI at 2K RPM compared to my Amsoil which was 50 PSI at 2K RPM at the same temperature. Idling at the lights fully warmed up I have 20 PSI. Amsoil is 10 PSI. I guess POE has better pressure properties. (30wt compared to 30wt)

The other thing is the engine is completely silent. I kid you not... I can't hear the thing running at all. I can hear the injectors ticking ever so slightly and the rad-fan kick on/off but otherwise it's dead silent. I always had quiet but somewhat tappy valve-lifters. So far this gets a thumbsup Lets see if it maintains this Ninja effect. grin

Anyways... It's the first fill with an Amsoil EAO filter on there. I will run it 3 fills before I do a UOA to ensure all the Amsoil is gone and that all the cleaning that may be going on has fully taken place and won't play with the numbers.

The Amsoil that I took out is off to the Lab for testing to see if my new Amsoil EAA conical air filter I put on recently fixed the elevated SI levels in my last UOA's.

Will keep y'all posted.
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#1635380 - 10/17/09 05:21 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: Ragin_Diesel]
cornfused Offline


Registered: 09/20/08
Posts: 242
Loc: Indiana
Would anybody care to explain to me why and/or how esters are so much better? And where's the best place to read about it?

Thanks
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#1635384 - 10/17/09 05:24 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: StevieC]
Ragin_Diesel Offline


Registered: 10/17/09
Posts: 63
Loc: Arizona
Good reports so far!! With 10,000 post do you have anything else to do with your time tongue2
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#1635388 - 10/17/09 05:26 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: cornfused]
Ragin_Diesel Offline


Registered: 10/17/09
Posts: 63
Loc: Arizona
Originally Posted By: cornfused
Would anybody care to explain to me why and/or how esters are so much better? And where's the best place to read about it?

Thanks


This is what im wondering myself. I can buy redline at a pretty decent price so I would entertrain possibly using it. Just really want to know the major differences
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#1635391 - 10/17/09 05:27 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: StevieC]
DragRace Offline


Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 2327
Loc: 1/4 Mile Track
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Ok I can't wait anymore... I'm putting in the Redline 0w30 today for the first run.

I will be filling up with fuel when I take it on the run after the change so I can check the fuel economy average versus the Amsoil.

I also want to see how well it flows in the cold. It's getting a tad nippy here.

I will be posting a UOA here of the second run of the Red Line once it is run and that should be by Januaryish.

WOOHOO!


I beat you,put mine in about 2-weeks ago now cheers

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#1635470 - 10/17/09 06:35 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: Ragin_Diesel]
saaber1 Offline


Registered: 11/28/07
Posts: 1877
Loc: Pacnw
Originally Posted By: Ragin_Diesel
Originally Posted By: cornfused
Would anybody care to explain to me why and/or how esters are so much better? And where's the best place to read about it?

Thanks


This is what im wondering myself. I can buy redline at a pretty decent price so I would entertrain possibly using it. Just really want to know the major differences


Here is a good article to start with: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...994#Post1252272
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#1635471 - 10/17/09 06:37 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: The Critic]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 30302
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: The Critic
I doubt RL is going to be better than the Amsoil. If anything, I bet the Amsoil SSO is a lot better.


I actually believe the opposite but we'll know after StevieC does his little test.


True, but keep in mind the size and resources of Amsoil R&D vs. Redline R&D.


Eh, not much different. Both leverage their additive suppliers.

Redline 0w-30 and Amsoil SSO are two very similar, yet very different oils.
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#1635494 - 10/17/09 07:03 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: Ragin_Diesel]
endeavor to persevere Offline


Registered: 04/10/05
Posts: 520
Loc: Middle Tennessee
I wouldn't mind trying 0W30 Redline, but I got a year and a half of GC 0W30.

And its going to frost tonight and I live in middle Tennessee.


Edited by endeavor to persevere (10/17/09 07:06 PM)
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#1635495 - 10/17/09 07:03 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: endeavor to persevere]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 15085
Loc: Ontario, Canada
It has already frosted a few times here...
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#1635613 - 10/17/09 09:08 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: StevieC]
Julian Offline


Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 1498
Loc: Illinois
How's the weather in Toronto this time of year? Any idea? Do they all speak French? Just curious. Low crime rate I hear. Good schools. wink2 grin
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#1635628 - 10/17/09 09:20 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: StevieC]
BuickGN Offline


Registered: 10/18/07
Posts: 3756
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Ragin_Diesel
Have your UOA looked good in the passed? Your Sig says you have been using SSO, thats a tough product to beat. Either way you'll be happy and so will your vehicle


The SSO UOA's are excellent. They are posted here. I'm always experimenting and I will let you know how it compares to SSO.

Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Interested in the results, making a case for my father to switch to RL from Amsoil, and save the $20 PC fee. Hope it works for you!


I will let you know how it goes...


I put it in about 2 hours ago and went out shopping and errand running. So far I'm impressed. The oil pressure gauge was showing over 100 PSI on a cold engine. (Amsoil was about 85-90) Then once it was warmed up to operating temperature (30KM of driving) it was sitting at 65 PSI at 2K RPM compared to my Amsoil which was 50 PSI at 2K RPM at the same temperature. Idling at the lights fully warmed up I have 20 PSI. Amsoil is 10 PSI. I guess POE has better pressure properties. (30wt compared to 30wt)

The other thing is the engine is completely silent. I kid you not... I can't hear the thing running at all. I can hear the injectors ticking ever so slightly and the rad-fan kick on/off but otherwise it's dead silent. I always had quiet but somewhat tappy valve-lifters. So far this gets a thumbsup Lets see if it maintains this Ninja effect. grin

Anyways... It's the first fill with an Amsoil EAO filter on there. I will run it 3 fills before I do a UOA to ensure all the Amsoil is gone and that all the cleaning that may be going on has fully taken place and won't play with the numbers.

The Amsoil that I took out is off to the Lab for testing to see if my new Amsoil EAA conical air filter I put on recently fixed the elevated SI levels in my last UOA's.

Will keep y'all posted.


I think it's good that your hot idle pressure is twice as high. However, 100psi on a cold start is getting close to causing problems. I've never had a spin on filter stay on past 120psi.

It's interesting you got twice the hot idle pressure when the 100C vis is close. What's the 40c vis like on both?
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#1635748 - 10/17/09 11:16 PM Re: I'm putting the Redline 0w30 in today... [Re: Julian]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 15085
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Julian
How's the weather in Toronto this time of year? Any idea? Do they all speak French? Just curious. Low crime rate I hear. Good schools. wink2 grin


Weather is cool at the moment:


We have relatively low crime compared to the rest of major cities. I'm about 80KM from Downtown Toronto. If I could drive across the lake it would be like 20. grin

We have good schools, we are quite educated actually. wink
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