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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: dishdude] #5099078
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Originally Posted by dishdude
Originally Posted by pbm
Unfortunately, the NFL has become politicized and conversations regarding it often follow suit.

The game and draft can be easily discussed while respecting the rules of the board.

No, they can't. Not here.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: gman2304] #5099106
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Originally Posted by gman2304
Originally Posted by atikovi
In many forums discussing religion, politics and making racial comments aren't allowed.
No discussion on any of these topics took place.


Since most of the players are black, the comment National felon league: ZERO INTEREST is pretty racist. And there was some comment about Easter that is religious which has been deleted.

Last edited by atikovi; 05/08/19 06:31 AM.
Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: atikovi] #5099131
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Originally Posted by atikovi
Originally Posted by gman2304
Originally Posted by atikovi
In many forums discussing religion, politics and making racial comments aren't allowed.
No discussion on any of these topics took place.


Since most of the players are black, the comment National felon league: ZERO INTEREST is pretty racist. And there was some comment about Easter that is religious which has been deleted.

I don't normally dive into this type of discussion, but this comment is just absurd. How is this comment racist? Are white people not in the league too? Is the crime rate monopolized by a certain race? I'd list out just some of the crimes committed by NFL athletes of ALL races, but I realized that I don't need to when there's literally a website devoted to tracking this information. I"m not going to link it here, but it's easily found with a google search. It's no secret that, even though the arrest rate for NFL players is lower than the public's, NFL players do commit a large number of highly publicized crimes and people have begun to lose interest in the league because of it. Stop looking for racism where none was intended or existed.


Now, with that said, that comment was not needed. if you're not a fan of the NFL, it's owners, or it's athletes, simply DON"T CLICK THE LINK. That thread is clearly not for you. I don't understand the compulsive need for people to go to threads that they know they don't care about/disagree with and insert their opinions. As long as the policy is going to be locking threads instead of deleting comments (or something similar), do everybody a favor and stay out of a discussion if you can't comment without adding positively to the discussion or keep it from going down the religion/politics/etc. rabbit hole. Some people actually want to have that conversation even if you don't or don't care about the topic. It's a selfish thing to do and right now, that selfishness is encouraged instead of dealt with accordingly (eg: the people who don't care about the NFL made comments that locked the thread for the people who do care).


Just because you have an account doesn't mean you have to have an insight in every single thread, including those you couldn't care less about.

Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: Nickdfresh] #5099150
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The mods worry about the sponsors or advertisers becoming upset with some content and pulling out. Bob gots to get paid.

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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: Nickdfresh] #5099156
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Unfortunately many members are negative and angry people and they post.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: atikovi] #5099171
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Originally Posted by atikovi
The mods worry about the sponsors or advertisers becoming upset with some content and pulling out. Bob gots to get paid.


This shows how little you know about bitog.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: Nickdfresh] #5099180
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Won’t be long for this thread either. Why do people think that after a thread gets locked or deleted it’s a good idea to start another thread complaining about it? That really does mystify me.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: hallstevenson] #5099184
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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by spasm3
I think the last 2 posts show where the thread was headed, its my guess that's why the mods locked it.

As nick says, the idiots "win" though. They derail a thread and get it locked instead of their posts getting deleted and what would be appropriate is to 'punish' those idiots for the behavior.


It's easier/less work to lock a thread than to constantly babysit individual member's posts. And there may be many "problem" members.

That said, if it's always the same problem members, employing a no tolerance policy which simply sends offenders on vacation (and a banning after repeat occurrences) would be almost as easy. This place could be cleaned up real quick.

I'm relatively new here, but there doesn't seem to be any repercussions for being an @$$ on here. Thread gets locked, then they go infect another thread and get that locked, then another, so on and so forth. Doesn't seem very efficient.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: Rand] #5099193
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Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by atikovi
The mods worry about the sponsors or advertisers becoming upset with some content and pulling out. Bob gots to get paid.


This shows how little you know about bitog.


Atikovi,

[Little history:]
Bob had some health issues, so many years ago (early 2000s), Helen and her husband Tony (RIP), purchased the website and kept it up for the following many years.
She stated many times she wants a family friendly website.
The Mods are volunteers, so sometime it depends on that particular mod.
There are many many many users (60k+), so it is not an easy task to moderate and keep it clean.
There are 2 administrators, one is user WWilson (Wayne).

NickDFresh,
couple alternatives:
-open a 5 guests PM private thread
-contact Wayne to increase the 5 guests limit for ^^^


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: Nickdfresh] #5099197
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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Because jerks keep reminding us how they have "zero interest" in a subject they took interest in enough to tell us all they have zero interest? really? If one doesn't like the subject of discussion here you just thread-jack and get it closed?


I see this a lot on BITOG. Especially in sports threads, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the responses are people who don't watch the sport, stating that they do not like said sport.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: atikovi] #5099217
05/08/19 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
The mods worry about the sponsors or advertisers becoming upset with some content and pulling out. Bob gots to get paid.


Atikovi- You see racists where there are none.

And profit where there is none.

This board isn’t making anyone any money, I assure you.

Perhaps, if you think this is a lucrative venture, you could start your own board, and ban all the people and comments that you don’t like. It’s got to be better than raising cats, or exotic fish...

In the meantime, the comments in this thread that caused it to be locked, were political.

The board owner (Helen) has been crystal clear in her standards, and everyone, including you, agreed to those standards when they signed up for a user account.

The moderators work with an enormous number of posts, and a large number of members. They volunteer (so much for “gots to get paid”) and the site is better for their (again, unpaid) efforts.

Want to see more moderators? More involvement?

Consider donating, instead of complaining. Donations bring in more $$ than sponsors.

Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5086063/2019-nfl-draft#Post5086063

Because the owners don't like the NFL? Because jerks keep reminding us how they have "zero interest" in a subject they took interest in enough to tell us all they have zero interest? really? If one doesn't like the subject of discussion here you just thread-jack and get it closed?


Nick - you claim to moderate on two other boards, but you think a public complaint thread is likely to get a moderator to answer?

Really?

If you want to know why a thread was locked, a polite PM is far more likely to get a response than this tactic.

The comments that got it locked were political in nature. The rules on the forum are clear, so the lock was clear, at least, to me.

And, as I recommended above, consider donating. Help the site, and mods, achieve what you think they should.

Put your $$ where your mouth is, as the old saying goes.

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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: pandus13] #5099237
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Originally Posted by pandus13
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by atikovi
The mods worry about the sponsors or advertisers becoming upset with some content and pulling out. Bob gots to get paid.


This shows how little you know about bitog.


Atikovi,

[Little history:]
Bob had some health issues, so many years ago (early 2000s), Helen and her husband Tony (RIP), purchased the website and kept it up for the following many years.
She stated many times she wants a family friendly website.
The Mods are volunteers, so sometime it depends on that particular mod.
There are many many many users (60k+), so it is not an easy task to moderate and keep it clean.
There are 2 administrators, one is user WWilson (Wayne).


You are right, as having probably 500+ internet forums I'm registered on it's hard to see behind the scenes of each one. bitog is one of the most popular though, and right now I see a Pennzoil banner ad at the top of the page. Are you saying they get that for free? If so why not charge for it and drum up more sponsor advertising if that would help the forum.

Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: atikovi] #5099285
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While Pennzoil pays a few $$ to advertise, and a few folks sponsor, there is the cost of hosting this site to offset all of the revenue from advertising and donations. It costs a lot for software, and servers, and maintenance, and upgrades.

Again, I assure you, when subtract the costs (hosting, etc.) from the income (advertising, sponsorship and donations), there isn’t any significant money left over.

If you think that this forum is a good way to make money, or that you could do better, then start your own, grow it to this size, and reap those profits.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: atikovi] #5099306
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Originally Posted by atikovi
[You are right, as having probably 500+ internet forums I'm registered on it's hard to see behind the scenes of each one. bitog is one of the most popular though, and right now I see a Pennzoil banner ad at the top of the page. Are you saying they get that for free? If so why not charge for it and drum up more sponsor advertising if that would help the forum.

That would explain a lot.


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Re: Why Was This Thread Locked? [Re: atikovi] #5099320
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Originally Posted by atikovi
You are right, as having probably 500+ internet forums I'm registered on it's hard to see behind the scenes of each one. bitog is one of the most popular though, and right now I see a Pennzoil banner ad at the top of the page. Are you saying they get that for free? If so why not charge for it and drum up more sponsor advertising if that would help the forum.


One of the many things I enjoy here are the lack of ads all over the place. One of the reasons I don't frequent www.driveaccord.net that much. The owner sold the site and the amount of ads went through the roof. Which is very distracting. Supposedly because of the type of member I was over there I was seeing less ads than others which is hard to believe.

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