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Tie rod tapers #5048880
03/20/19 11:26 AM
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I'm wondering about the tapers for tie rods, idler arm, etc. Do I use anti seize or is that a bad thing to do with tapers. Can I leave the blaster or should it be dry? Will any kind of lubrication do more harm than good on a taper?

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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5048881
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Clean and BONE dry. ZERO any type of lube on joint tapers!!


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5048901
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x2 no lube. Its a friction assembly.


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5048908
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Yes, whatever minimal anti-rust coating they ship with is all they need.

Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5048911
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I have used grease and antiseize before but you can easily run into issues when trying to torque them as they will just spin.


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5048937
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Dry, no lube at all. One more thing, make sure everything is clean, no dirt, sand etc so it's 100% metal to metal.


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5048941
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Don't put anything. Just make sure it and the holder is clean and dry.

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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5048972
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Torque it dry and torque it TO SPEC. Too loose and you'll bugger the thing during use, too tight and best case you can mess up the female taper, have a rough time getting it off next time, or worst case: crack whatever that secures to


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5049027
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I think I'd let it rust so I had a better chance of getting the nut off next time.


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: SnowDrifter] #5049044
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Originally Posted by SnowDrifter
Torque it dry and torque it TO SPEC. Too loose and you'll bugger the thing during use, too tight and best case you can mess up the female taper, have a rough time getting it off next time, or worst case: crack whatever that secures to

40 ft lbs it is.. I could not get the pitman arm off the center link. Brand new. But I didn't do it so who knows how they put it on


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5049046
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The mistake I was about to make was I used quite a bit of PB Blaster to get them separated. But I didn't plan on cleaning that off. I just sprayed them down real good with brake cleaner.


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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5049145
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Rust is an issue here. I always butter them with antiseize. I don't see a downside to it.

Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: Kestas] #5049150
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Originally Posted by Kestas
Rust is an issue here. I always butter them with antiseize. I don't see a downside to it.


You don’t see an issue? The point of a tapered assembly is friction fit. You add a lubricant or anti seize then you are defeating the purpose of the assembly. If/when the joint spins in the taper while going down the road it will wear the taper out quickly and you’ll end up with sloppy steering and make the repair you made previously twice as expensive

With that mentality you might as well put brake grease on the face of the brake rotors when doing a brake job.

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Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5049177
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I have never seen evidence of tapers with antiseize rotating in use. And I have revisited tie rods that needed replacing again, so I'm sure I would have seen any problems. There is enough friction in a properly torqued assembly to preclude movement, similar to lubricated lug nuts.

But I have had a devil of a time getting tapers loose because of corrosion.

Re: Tie rod tapers [Re: LeakySeals] #5049215
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All sorts of ball joints on a 528e front end.. Getting the nut off was the easy part. Pressure and shock properly applied pops them out of the taper.. I used big washers to pull taper together tightly enough to get a good tight on the nuts.


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