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Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... #4782081
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Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in a non-Euro speced car? Specifically a, 06 Chevy Cobalt. I have a bunch of Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 from one of the Autozone clearances. TIA.

Add: Any issues if the car consumes a bit of oil between changes - 1/2 qt? (In other words anything to be concerns around the add pack and potential burning if I know the car already consumes?)

Last edited by 99Saturn; 06/09/18 10:08 AM. Reason: added additional q.
Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782083
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You could run just about anything in a that car. Both of those oils are really good.


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Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782084
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Aren't those diesel oils? Probably ok to run in a gas engine, but I wouldn't bother with long change intervals.

Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782102
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Pennzoil Euro L and AV both meet SAE SN specs. If this is on the bottle I don't see how you can go wrong.

Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782103
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Yes, that's what I have picked up, that these are low SAPS oils and should be good for 3K-5K interval.

Not intended for any longer OCIs.


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Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782107
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A half quart during the entire OCI is no problem at all. Are using the OCI suggested by the OLM?

The PP Euro L 5w30 is licensed dexos2, and in Europe, GM uses dexos2 for all their cars (both gas/petrol and diesel).

Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782108
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Those are the EXACT oils you want in your car if you consume oil. They have lower SAPS than typical PCMO oils and therefore leave less ash to accumulate in the catalyst. Low SAPS oils contain Expensive high performance anti wear polymers not in your typical engine oil. They don't show up in a VOA or UOA.
I think the Euro AV might be a mid SAPS oil or the same as Euro L? The reported specs can be skewed by the maker to hide it. Make one product appear worse than it is. It is done to save on licensing fees. SOPUS doesn't wanna pay GM for people buying oil for a VW as an example.


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Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782152
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Why would there be reasons?


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Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4782160
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Thanks all, seems like I should have no concern, as long as the OCI is reasonable.

Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Are using the OCI suggested by the OLM?


I try to keep it to 5K. It's my parent's car, just helping out with the maintenance when I can. I ask them to keep it around 5K miles, which sometimes gets pushed if they forget. OLM takes the OCI out to ~7K or 7.5K. I think it is just a countdown clock, as my OLM (also an '06 Cobalt) does the same, even though it sees a ton of short trips.

Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782309
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No issues with low SAPS anymore, Tier 3 took care of that issue. Many Euro dealers are no longer stocking obsolete specs oils like VW 502 and BMW LL-01 anymore for the shop. Now its mostly 504/507 and LL-04


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Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: Trav] #4782443
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Originally Posted By: Trav
No issues with low SAPS anymore, Tier 3 took care of that issue. Many Euro dealers are no longer stocking obsolete specs oils like VW 502 and BMW LL-01 anymore for the shop. Now its mostly 504/507 and LL-04


They have bouth. Do you know if low saps oil is good for ethanol fuels like e10?

Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782471
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Originally Posted By: 99Saturn
I ask them to keep it around 5K miles, which sometimes gets pushed if they forget. OLM takes the OCI out to ~7K or 7.5K


I highly highly highly doubt changing the oil before 7,500 miles -
is going to extend the life of that car AT ALL..... Not even a tiny bit.


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Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: Bjornviken] #4782495
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Originally Posted By: Bjornviken
Originally Posted By: Trav
No issues with low SAPS anymore, Tier 3 took care of that issue. Many Euro dealers are no longer stocking obsolete specs oils like VW 502 and BMW LL-01 anymore for the shop. Now its mostly 504/507 and LL-04


They have bouth. Do you know if low saps oil is good for ethanol fuels like e10?


Sure it is, Germany has had E10 available for a while now but not mandatory, no alternative oil required per new car owners manual.

Edit: You should use Euro V or VI fuel, 10 ppm sulfur, the old Euro IV had 50 and requires mid SAPS for longest oil life.

Last edited by Trav; 06/09/18 08:12 PM.

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Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: 99Saturn] #4782556
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I keep hearing that the certifications are what counts, not the VOAs.

So, if this oil is API SN certified, why is it good for only half of the OCI of other API SN oils?

Are the API SN tests defective in some way?

Re: Any reason not to use Euro L or Euro AV in... [Re: nap] #4782603
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Particularly if one isn't running ULSG, it makes a difference, since starting TBN is lower. This has been going on for some time with there being a disparity as to what oil a car should run in Europe versus North America, with European OEMs even having different OCIs and/or different specs on either side of the pond. Using LL01 in North American BMW gassers versus LL04 in Europe is a prime example.

Are the SN tests defective in some ways? Perhaps. They're not terribly demanding, but aside from that, there's only so much SN can tell you. Just having SN doesn't automatically qualify it as a long drain oil. SN can be anything from the a very basic SAE 30 conventional to a C3 like in this thread or an A3/B4 or an E7, E9. Yes, the certifications do count, and a C3 oil isn't the same as an ILSAC oil which isn't the same as an A3/B4.

All other things being equal and you were solely trying to maximise your OCI, would you choose an A3/B4 or a C3, with both having SN, assuming the vehicle just called for an SN multigrade of some sort?


Plain, simple Garak.

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