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How does my smart meter communicate? #4693823
03/13/18 06:15 PM
03/13/18 06:15 PM
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San Antonio, Texas
sasilverbullet Offline OP
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Here's the smart meter they just installed:



I'm curious what technology this thing uses to communicate with the power company? Built in cell phone? Radio? I searched the inter web, no definitive answer.

Anyone know? Inquiring minds want to know.


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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693827
03/13/18 06:19 PM
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Sideways. And it could be either, though technically cell phone is radio.

The older type uses a one-way radio with a range of several hundred feet. The electric company drives a car or truck around at least once a month to collect readings. Cell phone technology is used in newer ones. Those of course are readable without a local visit.

Googling "Silver Spring Networks" and that FCC ID number should tell you quite a bit.

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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693831
03/13/18 06:26 PM
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https://fccid.io/OWS-NIC714

Looks like it's using the 900mhz and 2.4ghz ISM frequency bands.

Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693835
03/13/18 06:32 PM
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Surprised they dont whisper down the power lines.

Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693846
03/13/18 06:41 PM
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Radio read for the most part. Some utilities have a cell tower system that can collect a bunch of the radio read signals and send them to a central location over cellular, and others just drive around with vehicle (s) that collect the individual meter radio signals.


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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693848
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is putting a metal screen over these legal? I know of a product that just clips on the front and blocks comms. Some claim new meters are causing cancer.

Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4693873
03/13/18 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
is putting a metal screen over these legal? I know of a product that just clips on the front and blocks comms. Some claim new meters are causing cancer.


Yeah, I've been reading that too.. One more thing to worry about. Seems to be less and less caring about people health with these new ideas


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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4693875
03/13/18 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
is putting a metal screen over these legal? I know of a product that just clips on the front and blocks comms. Some claim new meters are causing cancer.


Ask your power company ... by bet is the answer is no. These can't cause any more cancer than all the other things around us that send out signals, like cell phones. Besides, they are located outside the house. They all have to be FCC complaint.

Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693897
03/13/18 07:09 PM
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Most likely each smart meter is a repeater. They form a chain back to a base station to collect readings. Lots of wireless comms are working that way nowadays. Defeating it will just make the power company come and fix it and fine you for messing with it.

No more of a cancer hazard than you home wifi.


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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693903
03/13/18 07:13 PM
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A metal screen is OK if it doesn't impede the readings. The radio transmitter is a lot more powerful than it needs to be for most situations, so if the meter is close to the road it should be OK.

You would know if they start having trouble getting readings because your bill would say estimated rather than actual.

Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693911
03/13/18 07:19 PM
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I called electric company in DE to question bill as two bills were identical to the penny which I think is odd. They read it while I was on the phone.

In NY a truck drives in a reads the meter.


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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: Ducked] #4693982
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Originally Posted By: Ducked
Surprised they dont whisper down the power lines.
With a soup can attached with a string?


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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4693986
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Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: sasilverbullet] #4694060
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True. You could even go so far as to say that 'they' DO know what it does, and keep it under wraps for the sake of 'their' business profitability.

Elster 900MHz band around here at disconcertingly high power level of quarter Watt- that's 0.25W transmit power for every single meter- which adds up, effectively leaving us swimming in an inescapable field. Many health effects are associated with clusters of these meters such as in multi-dwelling homes.

900MHz RF travels well.
https://www.electricsense.com/1225/900mh...our-cell-phone/


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: How does my smart meter communicate? [Re: PeterPolyol] #4694085
03/13/18 09:41 PM
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Illinois, U.S.A
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Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
True. You could even go so far as to say that 'they' DO know what it does, and keep it under wraps for the sake of 'their' business profitability.

Elster 900MHz band around here at disconcertingly high power level of quarter Watt- that's 0.25W transmit power for every single meter- which adds up, effectively leaving us swimming in an inescapable field. Many health effects are associated with clusters of these meters such as in multi-dwelling homes.

900MHz RF travels well.
https://www.electricsense.com/1225/900mh...our-cell-phone/


So I read this and clicked around a bit...

Seems like I need a tin foil hat.


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