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For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use #4692743
03/12/18 06:36 PM
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parshisa Offline OP
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I've been searching for what type oil is recommended for my dad's camry back in Russia. I was surprised to see huge selection of oil viscosities allowed. Then I looked at US version of the same model year (same engine, same everything) - surprise surprise - 0w20 only!!! Another proof of "very tight engine tolerances built for US market" lol





2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692754
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typical government [censored]!! manufacturers are looking for that !/4 to 1/2 mpg regardless if your engine does NOT live as long!!!

Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692755
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CAFE is what its all about in the US nothing more.


ASE L1, Master. Deutsch Meisterbrief.
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692762
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All this tells me is that this engine will run 300K miles on many viscosity. Just like it does in the U.S. on 0w20.


'18 KIA Sportage LX AWD 2.4L: MSS 10w30
'13 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: EDGE 5w30
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692763
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
Another proof of "very tight engine tolerances built for US market" lol


Exactly. Toyota engines destined for the U.S. market will have special tight clearances that thicker viscosity oils won't fit into -- or through.

Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692766
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parshisa Offline OP
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ANother interesting fact is that Toyota Russia limits the OCI for severe service to 5000km (a little over 3k mi) which I think is a right thing. In moscow traffic by the time you get 5k on oil it very well might be 300+ hours on it.


2016 Honda Pilot 3.5V6 PP 0W20
2017 Honda Civic 1.5T Amsoil SS 5W30
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692767
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LOL ... Yeah, Russia gets all the loose bearings coming off the production line.

Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692769
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I think the little known fact is that automakers earn money with CAFE credit trading provisions here in the USA.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692796
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In Australia for the Camry 2AR-FE, the suggestions from Valvoline are to use: 0W20, or 5W30 or 10W30, but they then go on to make the note
Quote:
May also use VALVOLINE PROFESSIONAL SERIES 15W-40, ENGINE ARMOUR SYNTHETIC TECHNOLOGY 15W-40, NEXTGEN 15W-40 or MAXLIFE 20W-50.


Since many small garages may only have one bulk tank of 15W40, which goes into everything here.


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692807
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the Russian spec posted above looks to be from a by gone era with SL or SM API certs

Last edited by dblshock; 03/12/18 07:12 PM.

16 Civic Coupe Touring 33k
640:1 TCW-3 E091
Edge 0/40 XG7317
Firehawk Indy 500

06 4Runner SR5 141k
640:1 TCW-3
M1 0/40 XG3614
Falken Wildpeak AT3W
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692824
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Why were you surprised at the oil viscosity choice?


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692844
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All I know is 0w-20 isn't burning in my Honda. And the coup DE grais is I live in a tropical climate 8 out of 12 months.

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Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: wemay] #4692846
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Originally Posted By: wemay
All this tells me is that this engine will run 300K miles on many viscosity. Just like it does in the U.S. on 0w20.

Correct. If anything, that chart shows it doesn't matter.


1994 BMW 530i, 228K
1996 Honda Accord, 263K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 400K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 271K
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: parshisa] #4692860
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You guys are taking advice from the Rooskies? laugh


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: For those in doubt what viscosity OK to use [Re: skyactiv] #4692868
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Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I think the little known fact is that automakers earn money with CAFE credit trading provisions here in the USA.


Are you sure they earn money with CAFE credits? My understanding is that they avoid paying penalties from missing CAFE standards.


2013 Subaru Outback 2.5i - Idemitsu 0W-20 & Mobil 1 filter
2003 Oldsmobile Alero 3.4 - M1 5W-30 & NAPA Gold filter
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