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Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? #4665582
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Any reason why a water cooled bike couldn't just use a 5w30 instead of a 40 weight? Would the lighter oil possibly yield better power and mpg?


2003 Mercury Grand Marquis. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram Ultra
2008 Sebring Hardtop convertible. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram Ultra
2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 LT. Amsoil Metric 10w-40
Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4665586
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does your bike have a shared sump for engine and trans ,

I run 5W40 Rotella in my gold wing

30 might sheer down to real thin with the oil running through the trans and clutch

MPG"s?? I never cared my bike is fun time not worried about mpg's bring on spring to start the riding season


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Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4665587
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Does this bike share a sump with the transmission? Motorcycles and similar motors tend to be pretty hard on oil and shear them down pretty quick.

Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4665679
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The water cooled bikes I've owned have all run HOTTER than the air-cooled ones. Combine this with a shared sump and the 40wt was more than justified.

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While I don't disagree with the concerns about shear, it's interesting to note that Honda has recommended 10W-30 for many of their bikes for a good number of years now.

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mine has been 10-40 by the owners man,,, i went to rotells t6 3 years ago not an issue with clutch or tranny runs like a champ......

quiet as a church mouse


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Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: jeff78] #4666090
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Originally Posted By: jeff78
While I don't disagree with the concerns about shear, it's interesting to note that Honda has recommended 10W-30 for many of their bikes for a good number of years now.


Yep. My Honda NC750 is spec'd for 10w30. I've also run it on 5w30, and it's currently using a 10w40. Honestly, not a bit of difference between them in power or economy, and it's a pretty underpowered bike, so I'd notice any extra HP. If anything, the 10w40 gives a smoother gear change.


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 53,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 136,000km - Penrite Vantage 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: hpb] #4666109
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Horsepower differences are there but quite small in this report:
http://www.eatonbalancing.com/2015/02/01/oil-viscosity-and-its-effect-on-engine-power/

It's an automotive V8, but still might apply. I wouldn't choose an oil grade for my bike to increase power.

I've been using 10W30 in my shared sump Honda because it's the only recommended grade. But when I was preparing to depart on a roadtrip last September and it was 110-111F, concerns about my gearbox health operating in temps that hot with oil that thin were one factor in my decision to switch bikes--the bike I took was running 15W50, and FWIW reported an ambient temp as high as 116F during the 1st leg of the trip. I was glad I didn't take the Honda. I can hardly wrap my mind around 10W30 protecting the gearbox in normal temperatures, but still I had been following Honda's recommendation.

I think that Honda will be getting 10W40 next oil change. Motul 5100 probably because I got a gallon on sale recently, though I have almost enough Mobil 1 4T in the garage, and I think that lasts longer.

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Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4666111
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Super Tech and Traveler 15W-40 went for 84,000 miles in my 1999 Suzuki Marauder!


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: Linctex] #4666250
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Super Tech and Traveler 15W-40 went for 84,000 miles in my 1999 Suzuki Marauder!

That's a long OCI!


2007 BMW R1200R (Mobil 1 15W50, Red Line Shockproof Heavy, Supertech 75W90)
2016 Honda Africa Twin DCT (Motul 5100 10W40)
Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4666436
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
Any reason why a water cooled bike couldn't just use a 5w30 instead of a 40 weight? Would the lighter oil possibly yield better power and mpg?


Yes, not to be funny but the manufacturer knows why way better then us. :o)

But serious, coolant temperature is not as relative to oil temperature as people think.
If your coolant is 220 degrees your oil can easily be 250.
All engines different but the manufacturer knows what is best, also why I dont know of many bike manufacturers that recommend a 5w/.. oil.

Warm weather riding I always ran 20w50 in my water cooled Vstar 1300, much better shifting once the oil got hot. Winter I would run 15w40.
The lowest viscosity recommended oil for that bike is 10/40, its for a reason.

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Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4667304
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Isn't all 5w30 labeled as energy conserving? Every bike (wet clutch) I have seen said to avoid energy conserving oils.

Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4668890
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Don't know about the 5W30, but if you want to go for broke, Red Line's 0W20 is frictionally compatible with the JASO MA spec. (-;

Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4668909
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The 5w30 I used in my Honda was Penrite, met JASO MA spec, so not Energy Conserving.


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 53,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 136,000km - Penrite Vantage 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: Water cooled bike and 5w-30 Syn oil? [Re: ZZman] #4671496
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I did a search, but I can't find a Penrite 5w30 that meets JASO MA. I am not saying that you are mistaken, I just wanted to read up on it but can't find anything.

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