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Clearcoat question #4654961
02/03/18 02:31 PM
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So there isn't any left on my car. Not on any horizontal surface. So I'm wondering, what does this mean in terms of long term longevity? As in, is the paint easier to scratch now (thus leading to rust)?


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 170k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 144k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 195k, his
Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4654970
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I remember my dad's gold 97 Camry that he bought new and was garaged was having clearcoat issues after 5 years. But it was never waxed, detailed and only saw automatic car washes since I wasn't in town back then. His 01 Camry was much better. It was a white diamond pearl with the gallery edition they called it. Even the alloy wheels looked great after 5yrs when he traded it. No detailing done to it either but looked great.

I'd just keep it clean and protected. Even some Mequiars wash and wax would be better than nothing. Maybe top with some spray wax. Keep it presentable looking without spending a bunch of time and money on it.

Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4654994
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Originally Posted By: supton
So there isn't any left on my car. Not on any horizontal surface.


Tell an independent autobody repair place you want an "Earl Scheib" style clearcoat job for $200


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
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"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4655007
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How do you know there is none left? Are you talking about the 1999?


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Clearcoat question [Re: Rolla07] #4655009
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Originally Posted By: Rolla07
How do you know there is none left? Are you talking about the 1999?

Yep. Bought the '99 in this condition, didn't really care as it was rust free and I could rattle-can it if it was a problem, rust wise. Appearance wise, you can't tell, not from 50 feet, so my concern is keeping rust at bay.


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 170k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 144k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 195k, his
Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4655010
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I wouldn't worry about it. The top surfaces will get surface rust if anything, and you can address it then. I wouldn't put a cheap paint job on it; FWIW if I have anything repainted I want it to look good.


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Re: Clearcoat question [Re: Silverado12] #4655041
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I've had a couple of previous non-garaged cars where I rarely ever waxed them. The paint on those lost all their luster and were dullish looking for years. But none ever showed any rust despite sitting it in hot summer and brutal winter weather year after year. The last one was a 1997 Lincoln I drove 230K miles up to 2009. I did wash them several times each year and monthly trips to a car wash where I used a wand to get dirt and grime off them. The old faded paint is still protective if you don't let anything breach it such as bird droppings, tree sap and organics, etc.

I learned my lesson though and have been waxing my current 2002 twice yearly. It still gleams. The only bubbles on the car are a pair of quarter sized spots on the hood that's coming up from underneath. For 16 yr old paint and stored outside, it's done really well. I make it a point to park under a shade tree when I can....but you have to more diligent with cleaning up the tree/bird droppings daily.


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1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
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Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4655052
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I've only waxed maybe twice, and not the same vehicle. I thought the need for waxing had gone away? as in, not so required, at least (sure makes the car look nicer though).


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 170k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 144k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 195k, his
Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4655071
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Originally Posted By: supton
I've only waxed maybe twice, and not the same vehicle. I thought the need for waxing had gone away? as in, not so required, at least (sure makes the car look nicer though).


Nope. It's basically a clear paint to protect the other paint. Still requires upkeep.

I'm still partial to the old single stage myself...


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'15 Camry SE - 2.5 - 22K - PP 0w20
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I think your best option to protect the paint is to apply some sort of coating like Opti-coat or cquartz.

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Originally Posted By: Delta
Originally Posted By: supton
I've only waxed maybe twice, and not the same vehicle. I thought the need for waxing had gone away? as in, not so required, at least (sure makes the car look nicer though).


Nope. It's basically a clear paint to protect the other paint. Still requires upkeep.

I'm still partial to the old single stage myself...


My 2000 Mustang is single stage paint.


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18 Mustang GT 5.0 auto
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Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4658879
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I dabbed some rustoleum on the rock chips last summer, to keep those controlled. I've contemplated sanding down the clearcoat, there's areas where it's peeled but not off, giving a white line around the car.

trunk:



Roof:


Door:


Hood:


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 170k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 144k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 195k, his
Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4658883
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Edit: I should say, no clearcoat on horizontal surfaces. There's still plenty left on vertical ones (except the tops of the doors).

Still rather tickled with this car. It's boring but still way more enjoyable than I ever thought a Camry would or should be. Just ticked over 32kmiles and that means... I finally got depreciation & repair cost per mile below 10 cents. [$1,500 purchase and about $1,700 in maintenance, repairs and upgrades.] Only gets 30mpg & is an automatic, those seem to be its only real problem areas.


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 170k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 144k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 195k, his
Re: Clearcoat question [Re: supton] #4658928
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Originally Posted By: supton
I thought the need for waxing had gone away?


That is not true at all.


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