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#4586127 - 11/26/17 09:02 PM Which Lubegard, if at all?
BlakeB Offline


Registered: 09/20/17
Posts: 57
Loc: Southeast
I'm gonna start using Valvoline Maxlife ATF in my 2007 Tacoma with the A750F transmission. I currently have a mix of WS and Maxlife in there, but will be doing an annual drain/fill with Maxlife. I've heard a lot of good things about Lubegard, but I'm not sure which kind to use. There are 2 types as far as I'm aware, the regular red stuff and the LG Platinum. Which one should I use with the Maxlife, if I should even use it at all?

If you have any success or failure stories as far as lubegard goes, I'd like to hear it. I'm not sure if it's even necessary but some absolutely swear by the stuff.

My truck has 83K miles, tranny was flushed around 60k, then drained and filled at about 80k. The fluid that's in there looked and smelled perfect when I drained/filled it in April. I also have a remote spin on filter installed, its a 10 micron hydraulic filter(napa 1269). I changed it after 20k(60-80k) and it had minimal debris in it. I have a thread in the transmission filter subforum, if you wanna see the filter cut open.

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#4586152 - 11/26/17 09:25 PM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
mphilleo Offline


Registered: 09/09/16
Posts: 26
Loc: North Dakota
I've had more luck with Lubegard Red than not. Mostly, I've used it on older cars running Supertech DEX III with the intention of fortifying it, with good results. The only outlier is a '93 Olds 98 where I noticed issues with slippage after using it. But that could have been an issue waiting in the wings. Since Maxlife is fully synthetic now, and no longer a blend, I don't see a huge benefit to using it if you've fully replaced your ATF. Doubly so if you have a transmission cooler besides the one in your radiator (tow package, self-installed).

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#4586167 - 11/26/17 09:54 PM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
Oro_O Offline


Registered: 09/20/14
Posts: 1354
Loc: Seattle-ish, WA
Use the Lubegard Red.

It is more aligned with your situation than the extra modifiers in the platinum.

I would also drain the PS reservoir at the same time and top it up with fresh atf and an ounce of the Lubegard - good maintenance. I have seen real rsults from using Lubegard in various places, engines (the biotech) too. The ester technology is not snake oil.

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#4586190 - 11/26/17 10:32 PM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: Oro_O]
BlakeB Offline


Registered: 09/20/17
Posts: 57
Loc: Southeast
Originally Posted By: Oro_O
Use the Lubegard Red.

It is more aligned with your situation than the extra modifiers in the platinum.

I would also drain the PS reservoir at the same time and top it up with fresh atf and an ounce of the Lubegard - good maintenance. I have seen real rsults from using Lubegard in various places, engines (the biotech) too. The ester technology is not snake oil.

The PS has been flushed 4 or 5 times, the fluid is in good shape, but the rack and pinion is starting to seep a little, just enough to wet the bottom of the boots. It's been seeping for 4 or 5 years, but I don't have to add fluid between flushes so I'm not gonna replace it until it's actually leaking. This isn't our road trip vehicle anymore and I rarely take it more than a couple hours from home. Lately I've only been putting about 5k miles per year.

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#4586200 - 11/26/17 10:58 PM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
Oro_O Offline


Registered: 09/20/14
Posts: 1354
Loc: Seattle-ish, WA
In that case, I would add more Lubegard to the ps reservoir. The esters could help the seals in the rack. Or use some of their ps fluid in lieu of atf in it.

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#4586203 - 11/26/17 11:07 PM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6540
Loc: Texas
Was looking at a bottle at AZ ~ then I said: “self ~ you have a drain plug and a shelf full of synthetic Dex VI”-
So, is this any better than doing an extra 4 quart drain/fill in addition to my annual Fram XG16 change?
(8 quarts this year instead of the normal 4 quarts)?

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#4586239 - 11/27/17 02:45 AM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 30012
Loc: NY
Lubegard red for that application.
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#4586247 - 11/27/17 03:13 AM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: 4WD]
BlakeB Offline


Registered: 09/20/17
Posts: 57
Loc: Southeast
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Was looking at a bottle at AZ ~ then I said: “self ~ you have a drain plug and a shelf full of synthetic Dex VI”-
So, is this any better than doing an extra 4 quart drain/fill in addition to my annual Fram XG16 change?
(8 quarts this year instead of the normal 4 quarts)?

That's kinda my dilemma as well, I'm not sure if it really makes any difference. I already have fresh fluid in there, which is more than most people can say. I don't wanna mess with the frictional characteristics of the fluid much, this truck is used to tow and haul a lot of the time. My transmission runs way on the cool side, usually not more than 130°F, 185° or so towing in the summer, 200°F tops. The truck is short tripped daily though, less than a mile with several stops in-between, so if the lubegard would help protect the solenoids and valvebody from excessive wear from all of the starting and stopping that would be a plus.

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#4586358 - 11/27/17 08:32 AM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
khittner Offline


Registered: 07/13/12
Posts: 328
Loc: Michigan
Save some money and save your anxiety for something more important. Your tranny will be as good as you're likely to need it to be, for as long as you need it to be, if you just use the MaxLife ATF, and change it periodically, like every 30K. Every "tough guy" with a truck, doing "tough-guy truck stuff" thinks their use of the tough truck meets or exceeds whatever the tough guys in the commercials for "taking-care-of-tough-trucks stuff" are doing to theirs. Probably not.

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#4586379 - 11/27/17 08:51 AM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
ARB1977 Offline


Registered: 06/12/05
Posts: 5190
Loc: North Texas
I've got maxlife and LG platinum in my Tacoma. No ill effects in nearly 30K miles.
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#4586396 - 11/27/17 09:08 AM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6186
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: BlakeB
The truck is short tripped daily though.... protect the solenoids and valvebody from excessive wear from all of the starting and stopping that would be a plus.


This is absolutely of no consequence.

"short tripping" is harmful to ENGINES..... not transmissions.
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#4586397 - 11/27/17 09:08 AM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6540
Loc: Texas
Do you know what your filter micron rating is … I find having a drain plug and external filter (superior to the pan filter) makes things very quick/easy once it is set up . My filter case catches some good airflow too …

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#4586419 - 11/27/17 09:25 AM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: BlakeB]
JEL01 Offline


Registered: 09/24/15
Posts: 121
Loc: Rainville, USA
Yep skip it, those are stout transmissions and 30-40k drain and fills are all they need to outlive the body of the truck
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#4586630 - 11/27/17 01:41 PM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: 4WD]
BlakeB Offline


Registered: 09/20/17
Posts: 57
Loc: Southeast
10 micron nominal, beta ratio 2/20=5/17

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#4586643 - 11/27/17 01:56 PM Re: Which Lubegard, if at all? [Re: Linctex]
BlakeB Offline


Registered: 09/20/17
Posts: 57
Loc: Southeast
Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: BlakeB
The truck is short tripped daily though.... protect the solenoids and valvebody from excessive wear from all of the starting and stopping that would be a plus.


This is absolutely of no consequence.

"short tripping" is harmful to ENGINES..... not transmissions.

I disagree, transmissions need more frequent maintenance if they have a severe duty cycle, which Allison specifies as more than one stop per mile. I have 3-4 stops per mile minimum a lot of the time. I recognize that my transmission isn't an Allison, but they are a reputable mfg of a similar piece of equipment. My average speed is around 13 MPH. More shifts does equal more wear, it has to.
https://www.kwds.at/fileadmin//user_upload/Downloads/Service/FluidIntervals-Allison.pdf

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