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#4546236 - 10/17/17 12:53 PM PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2
wemay Offline


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Granted, Oil companies are always tinkering with their formulations so the evolution from Dexos1 to Dex1Gen2 may have nothing to do with the changes here, and these changes are rather significant...


Dexos1



Dexos1 Gen2




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#4546252 - 10/17/17 01:20 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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Really good stuff! Thanks for finding them. I'm speculating an increase in base oil quality as the primary driver here. Dexos 1 originally required 75% GRP III and 25% GRP II at a minimum. Are we looking at all GRP III here? Flashpoint and CCS jump out at me.

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#4546255 - 10/17/17 01:26 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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That is the syn blend product?!?!?
The Gen 2 product has a very low CCS viscosity at -30C, if you follow the rule of thumb that viscosity doubles for every 5C drop it is not far from being a 0W30. That rule of thumb probably doesn't apply directly at such cold temps, though. Interesting that the pour point actually got higher for the Gen 2 product but the CCS and MRV results are better than the previous formulation's.
100C viscosity is pretty high for the grade, same as the M1 5W30 AP I am running right now.
I know that flashpoint probably does not really apply directly to oil performance, but 237C is nice and high and gives me hope that the NOACK loss is also good (must be below 13% to be dexos1).
Also wish they gave HTHS, but I think this looks very promising, especially for a blend.
Great post and thanks for sharing!


Edited by Virtus_Probi (10/17/17 01:27 PM)
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#4546306 - 10/17/17 02:31 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
Virtus_Probi Offline


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I took a snap of the same summary for Pennzoil Platinum 5W30 with the dexos1 Gen 2 license.
I gotta admit that the Gold product looks better to me in several areas, but, of course, a few numbers does not make an oil.
I did notice that the PP also has HTO-06 and am not sure about the Gold product.

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#4546334 - 10/17/17 03:03 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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They made it thicker. smile

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#4546384 - 10/17/17 04:00 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: Virtus_Probi]
wemay Offline


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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
I took a snap of the same summary for Pennzoil Platinum 5W30 with the dexos1 Gen 2 license.
I gotta admit that the Gold product looks better to me in several areas, but, of course, a few numbers does not make an oil.
I did notice that the PP also has HTO-06 and am not sure about the Gold product.





We're on the same page when it comes to guarded comparisons to PP.
And no, the Gold does not have the older Honda turbo approval. But being Dex1Gen2, i would think supersedes HTO-06 in many respects...



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#4546488 - 10/17/17 06:14 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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A drastic change in mrv viscosity.
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#4546493 - 10/17/17 06:23 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
bbhero Offline


Registered: 03/20/15
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Loc: Virginia
Hey Wemay I think HTO-06 tests used oil which makes it different than Dexos approval. I like when a oil has both Dexos and HTO-06 because it is tested both new on Dexos and used by the HTO-06. Nice combo of both.
I do agree that the CCS test results are quite low... Only Amsoil has had a lower result of like 3400 or 3300 @ -30C. Strange but good for sure.
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#4546497 - 10/17/17 06:32 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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I agree, having both D1G2 and HTO-06, would be great!

This Pennzoil Gold 5W-30 TDS is pretty impressive.

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#4546501 - 10/17/17 06:35 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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Heck yeah sir. I believe that Mobil 1 extended performance has both specs Dexos G2 and HTO-06 and Castrol gold bottle does has well. Maybe regular Mobil 1 does too??

I need to change my stuff in my signature at the bottom... I have Pennzoil Gold in my Altima now. I have got to get off the short bus today smile


Edited by bbhero (10/17/17 06:39 PM)
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#4546507 - 10/17/17 06:40 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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I wonder if the gen2 specs require something along the line of HTO-06?
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#4546511 - 10/17/17 06:45 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: PimTac]
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That is a possibility PimTac. I bet you are likely on the right track with this thinking.
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#4546531 - 10/17/17 07:05 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: Merkava_4]
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
They made it thicker. smile
Thicker is better As it has more margin before the oil drops out of grade..
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#4546574 - 10/17/17 07:31 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: CT8]
bbhero Offline


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Loc: Virginia
Very true CT8. I wonder what the HTHS is with this and other Dexos approved oils?? I bet they are 3.1 to 3.2.
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#4546628 - 10/17/17 08:15 PM Re: PNZL GLD 5w30 TDS: pre and post Dexos1Gen2 [Re: wemay]
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If we were in the market for a new Enclave, with the new Dexos spec, Pennzoil Gold would likely be my new go-to, as Valvoline ML is no longer Dexos.
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