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2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI #4531525
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I'm a constant visitor here, but rarely post. My knowledge of oils is greatly surpassed by many here, so I just read. Anyway, my screen name says Elantra and that vehicle was totaled, so wife and I bought a 2017 CR-V EX, the new 1.5L turbo engine. My concern is the the LSPI, been reading a lot about it but some of the talk is over my head.

From what I gather, it seems low calcium and high moly is the way to go, correct me I'm wrong. Previous oil I've been running is RP, but been wanting to try Schaeffer, so bought a case of Supreme 9000 0W-20 before reading more about LSPI. I haven't seen a VOA for 0W-20, but I'm sure it does have moly in it and probably calcium.

Anyway, question being is Schaeffer Supreme 9000 0W-20 an oil I want to be running in this engine? Is there a better option? I want to stay full synthetic and don't mind spending to protect the engine. I do plan on doing an UOA with Blackstone as well.

Thank you in advance,

Vince

Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531545
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You definitely want to run a dexos generation 2 oil as those have been shown to reduce LSPI. Most of the major brands are already reformulated. Mobil 1 EP 0w-20 has the certificate. Watch your fuel dilution and go with 5000 mile oci for now.


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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531550
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What's LSPI?


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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531556
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You also don't have to spend big money to get a Dexos1 gen 2 oil. Walmart Synthetic now carries the cert as well, but I have yet to see it in a 0w20.


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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531557
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Originally Posted By: Ruby2013Elantra
From what I gather, it seems low calcium and high moly is the way to go, correct me I'm wrong.
Low-ish calcium, around 1000 ppm, with magnesium detergents replacing a good percent of the calcium works. I haven't heard high moly affects LSPI at all.
Originally Posted By: Ruby2013Elantra
Anyway, question being is Schaeffer Supreme 9000 0W-20 an oil I want to be running in this engine? Is there a better option?

Valvoline Synpower 0w20 is on many Walmart shelves and it says dexos1 Gen2 on the label, meaning its been tested for LSPI prevention.
Must see the words "Gen 2" on the logo, or its the old Gen 1 oil that was not tested for LSPI.

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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531558
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OEMs are aware of LSPI and tune their engines to make it nearly impossible to occur, even when using the high-calcium formulations on the market today. So while a Dexos1 Gen 2 oil is a good choice, it isn't essential for engine health.

A choice to consider is Castrol Magnatec 0w-20: it's a Dexos 1 Gen 2 oil, well-regarded here, a good value and about the thickest 0w-20 you'll find, which may be a good thing considering the fuel dilution that will occur in your Honda.

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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Danh] #4531577
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Originally Posted By: Danh
OEMs are aware of LSPI and tune their engines to make it nearly impossible to occur, even when using the high-calcium formulations on the market today. So while a Dexos1 Gen 2 oil is a good choice, it isn't essential for engine health.


I wish this was true but it isn't. I am aware of at least one OEM where the above statement is not true.

Good for the OP to take a proactive approach to minimize the risk of damage due to LSPI. Might be difficult to avoid low engine speed and high engine load conditions due to the CVT transmission, it will be heavily dependent on the transmission calibration and the engine LSPI detection and mitigation strategy.

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I have read two studies, where moly did have impact on reducing LSPI.

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Use an oil the mfg recommends.


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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: np6000] #4531604
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Originally Posted By: np6000
Originally Posted By: Danh
OEMs are aware of LSPI and tune their engines to make it nearly impossible to occur, even when using the high-calcium formulations on the market today. So while a Dexos1 Gen 2 oil is a good choice, it isn't essential for engine health.


I wish this was true but it isn't. I am aware of at least one OEM where the above statement is not true.

Good for the OP to take a proactive approach to minimize the risk of damage due to LSPI. Might be difficult to avoid low engine speed and high engine load conditions due to the CVT transmission, it will be heavily dependent on the transmission calibration and the engine LSPI detection and mitigation strategy.


In the early days of a new engine, OEMs can be surprised. I assume you're referring to Subaru, which did have issues several years back, learned from the experience and fixed things. But I've not heard of a single LSPI failure for Honda's 1.5T and, given their prodigious levels of fuel dilution, it sure seems Honda has anticipated the issue and erred far on the side of caution.

And technically, LSPI is far too random and sudden to be "detected" while driving in time to prevent a problem. Instead, OEMs identify operating conditions where LSPI might occur and richen the mixture whenever similar conditions occur during operation, knowing full well LSPI will only occur in a fraction of these situations.

Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531606
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The manufacturer recommends an oil that passes their spec, the HTO-06. Doesn't really say anything else.

As for dexos gen 2, where do I find the specs? I'd like to see how Schaeffer lines up to them? I have the case and not sure I can return it. Guess I can compare it to the Mobil 1 oil recommended.


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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531614
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Originally Posted By: Ruby2013Elantra
The manufacturer recommends an oil that passes their spec, the HTO-06. Doesn't really say anything else.

As for dexos gen 2, where do I find the specs? I'd like to see how Schaeffer lines up to them? I have the case and not sure I can return it. Guess I can compare it to the Mobil 1 oil recommended.


Looking at the owner's manual, I see no reference to HTO-06, which is a pretty old specification. I believe the manual only specs an API certified 0w-20, or pretty much any 0w-20 you'll find on the shelf.

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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531615
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Interesting. I thought that's what I read, must of been in the many post I read.


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Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: Ruby2013Elantra] #4531624
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All Mobil oils are gen 2 approved. Go with 0w30 and enjoy the car

Re: 2017 CR-V EX - oil decision for LSPI [Re: parshisa] #4531627
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
All Mobil oils are gen 2 approved. Go with 0w30 and enjoy the car
This is what I would probably do. Although, if you already bought the Schaeffer's... The issue with me is that the 9000 series has a fair amount of calcium. Use the Shaeffer's up, and then go to M1

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