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Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles #4470907
07/26/17 10:37 AM
07/26/17 10:37 AM
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Lewisetta, Virginia
Mustangmaster Offline OP
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When letting your oil changes go 10,000 and above? After all, the filter traps all the mess/dirt/sediment. Or does the high quality oils of today self cleaning enough to not worry about changing a filter every 5000 miles?

Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470914
07/26/17 10:43 AM
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I change the filter AND oil every 5,000 miles or six months.


2016 Charger, 6.4L-485 HP (PUP 0W-40)
2017 BMW 330i, 2L-248 HP (BMW 0W-20)
2018 Jeep GC, 5.7L-360 HP (PUP 5W-20)
2008 20KW Generac (Amsoil 10W-30/30)
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470917
07/26/17 10:46 AM
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For the prices and deals most of us get on oils and filters, it makes no sense to ever go longer than 5,000 or 6 months.
Most warranties state 6 ,000 or 6 months. Since I have company vehicle alot of times I change my oil at less than 3,000 miles in 6 months.
But oil is cheap on closeouts and I think the planet has plenty.



2006 Dodge Ram 2500 Hemi 4x4
2016 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470931
07/26/17 10:54 AM
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There are many filters on the market that lasts 10k-15k miles and costs less in the long run then buying a few filters at a part store.

From Ultra
Purolator Pure One
Napa Platinum

They are all very good options and will provider better filtration.

Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470941
07/26/17 10:59 AM
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Honda says to change filter every other oil change on many of its vehicles. Its a small filter too. OLM indicates changes around 5000-7000 miles.

A filter does actually filter better with some particles in it. When it gets too full and goes into bypass is the scary part.


2016 Golf Wagon 5MT, 2014 Accord Sport 6MT, 2016 GMC 1500 SLT 6.2
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470953
07/26/17 11:08 AM
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2 OCI's and 15K miles for me.

Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: dareo] #4470954
07/26/17 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mustangmaster
When letting your oil changes go 10,000 and above? After all, the filter traps all the mess/dirt/sediment. Or does the high quality oils of today self cleaning enough to not worry about changing a filter every 5000 miles?


OK, here is the truth (and you will find this to be true after researching it)

The filter is a full flow - that means it has pretty big pores, and it ONLY traps the REALLY big stuff.
Leaving it on for 2X OCI's is fine, and I often do 3x OCI's.... I even ran one 30,000 on regualr oil changes, and it was just fine when disassembling it later.

Filters = meh. Changing the oil when it gets nasty is more important.


Originally Posted By: dareo
Honda says to change filter every other oil change on many of its vehicles. Its a small filter too.

Correct - this is because they KNOW it doesn't really help much.
Originally Posted By: dareo
A filter does actually filter better with some particles in it.

Yes, also true. Especially true with air filters (proven)
Originally Posted By: dareo
When it gets too full and goes into bypass is the scary part.

It just doesn't happen as much as some people like to think it might happen.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470956
07/26/17 11:11 AM
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The manufacturer of my latest car recommends changing the filter every other oil change so... 30,000 miles max.

I'll change the oil every year and the filter every other.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470962
07/26/17 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mustangmaster
Or does the high quality oils of today self cleaning enough to not worry about changing a filter every 5000 miles?


Research "detergents" and "dispersants"... that is what modern oil is full of,
and keeps all the "teeny tiny little bits" in suspension....
and they flow right through the filter with no issues at all.

Since they are less than 10 microns, even the very best oil filters barely catch any at all.
A good bypass filter (2 microns ABSOLUTE) should cath them.... but IN REALITY - it only adds marginal life to good engine designs.

Oddly, my 454 (7.4L) in my 1995 K3500 doesn't use any oil - with 272,000 miles on it. It's never seen synthetic oil and always had the cheapest filter money could buy. Strange, huh?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Linctex] #4470984
07/26/17 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: Linctex

Oddly, my 454 (7.4L) in my 1995 K3500 doesn't use any oil - with 272,000 miles on it. It's never seen synthetic oil and always had the cheapest filter money could buy. Strange, huh?


Lol yep, sometimes I think we're all overthinking this and even if we just used bulk dino oil and dirt cheap filters changed once in a while, our engines would last just as long as running a diet of say M1, RP, Amsoil and Fram Ultra's.

It'd be neat to see a controlled study of identical vehicles with the same driving routes, with one group using top notch synthetic and top notch filters, and the other running jiffy lube oils and bottom barrel filters.

Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4470989
07/26/17 11:40 AM
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You could end up with even more wear by changing the filter every time. Think about it, empty filter takes the oil pressure away for a few seconds to fill it back up. That literally could be more wear than running another 7500 miles on the same quality filter.


2016 Golf Wagon 5MT, 2014 Accord Sport 6MT, 2016 GMC 1500 SLT 6.2
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mr Nice] #4471005
07/26/17 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
2 OCI's and 15K miles for me.


Same here for the Civic. I'll change the oil and filter every 7500 miles in the Subie, until the warranty is up. I could lie and fudge the books, but that wouldn't sit right with me. I'll double the filter change interval once the warranty is up.


'14 Forester XT FA20DIT (Cobb Stage 1)
Edge 0W-40 + FU filter (64,774 miles)
'15 Legacy FB25 (OEM Stage, uh, neg. 7?)
Edge 0W-20 + FU filter (40,803 miles)
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: dareo] #4471020
07/26/17 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: dareo
You could end up with even more wear by changing the filter every time. Think about it, empty filter takes the oil pressure away for a few seconds to fill it back up. That literally could be more wear than running another 7500 miles on the same quality filter.


Depends on the filter configuration. On both my Ram and Scat Pack, the filter is installed vertically. I always fill the filters up with fresh oil before installation.


2016 Charger, 6.4L-485 HP (PUP 0W-40)
2017 BMW 330i, 2L-248 HP (BMW 0W-20)
2018 Jeep GC, 5.7L-360 HP (PUP 5W-20)
2008 20KW Generac (Amsoil 10W-30/30)
Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4471040
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Some of the data posted here show wear reduction in longer runs, theory on this points to a tribochemical barrier reducing wear.

Fresh oil add pack detergent and dispersants clear that barrier away and starts the process new.

In a dome end down filter orientation, with a bypass in the dome vs the bypass in the base those few seconds of morning startup could be sucking some of the gunk that falls to the bottom of the filter into the engine during that momentary opening event that occurs during startup rpm flair.


UD


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Re: Good idea to change oil filter every 5000 miles [Re: Mustangmaster] #4471052
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Every other oil change is what I do. Up to a point the filter will work better the longer you leave it in. As for worrying that the bypass will open and send the engine unfiltered oil. The bypass opens at every cold start regardless of how old the filter is.


Barry

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