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#4119996 - 06/09/16 10:20 PM Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem
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Registered: 06/26/14
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Decided to start a new thread instead of adding my findings to some of the other threads concerning the supposed failures of the XG synthetic cartridge filters. My curiosity got the best of me after reading the below threads and I suspected that an undersized ID of the end caps might have contributed to or possibly caused the media to separate from them, either during installation or removal. That's exactly what I found with five new XG10358 cartridges. I purchased four from the net, checked another in a local store and found all to have the same issue. The picture of the housing cap center tube was blurry so I didn't include it but the tube OD measured 1.095" - 1.103".

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3434977/Fram_Ultra_FAILURE
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3411091/1
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3930160

Here the filter is just started on the housing cap. It was very tight and I didn't try to push it any farther or I could have easily damaged the media.




Here are the specs from Fram's website. Notice the ID should be 1.108"



Here's the ID of the first of five I checked. The other four were almost exactly the same. Caliper showed 1.091" - 1.093"



Compared to the Wix filter. The Wix measured 1.112" and dropped right into the cover.




OEM Toyota filter measured @ 1.105".






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Edited by funflyer (06/09/16 10:21 PM)
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#4120009 - 06/09/16 10:34 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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Call Fram and get a free filter
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#4120015 - 06/09/16 10:39 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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Good detective work and pictures. I think the Ultra is still on my list for canister filters, but the list of those even is getting smaller. Of your three for me at least, the last one is the best one. This is how copying and not getting it exact ends up. The Wix is a little too loose, the Ultra much too tight, The OE seems to be just right.

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#4120027 - 06/09/16 10:50 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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Fram does list the spec pretty close to correct, must be the machine that makes the hole, or the plastic mold, is out of adjustment. That a number were measured is very good proof something is haywire.

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#4120033 - 06/09/16 10:55 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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The Fram's end cap ID looks to only be on the very lips of the end caps. If they are a bit flexible, and if lubed up with oil does that help the filter slip over the metal center tube?

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#4120048 - 06/09/16 11:08 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: Brybo86]
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Originally Posted By: Brybo86
Call Fram and get a free filter


Probably get more with the same issue. I won't speculate on whether Fram has a good quality management system in place or not but the customer should never be the one to find defective products.
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#4120054 - 06/09/16 11:18 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: ZeeOSix]
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The Fram's end cap ID looks to only be on the very lips of the end caps. If they are a bit flexible, and if lubed up with oil does that help the filter slip over the metal center tube?


The end caps are a hard plastic material with zero flex. Oil was no help. Even if someone manages to squeak one on the center tube, what happens when they try to remove it? What about the highly trained Jiffy Lube tech that removes the filter and the end stays in the housing cap? I can see someone easily leaving it in there and installing a new filter on top of it
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#4120059 - 06/09/16 11:22 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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I would buy the Yota filters.
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#4120081 - 06/09/16 11:53 PM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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The Pronto cartridges that I get for $1.83 each on Rockauto look better than both of those filters.

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#4120099 - 06/10/16 01:36 AM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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Originally Posted By: funflyer
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The Fram's end cap ID looks to only be on the very lips of the end caps. If they are a bit flexible, and if lubed up with oil does that help the filter slip over the metal center tube?


The end caps are a hard plastic material with zero flex. Oil was no help. Even if someone manages to squeak one on the center tube, what happens when they try to remove it? What about the highly trained Jiffy Lube tech that removes the filter and the end stays in the housing cap? I can see someone easily leaving it in there and installing a new filter on top of it


If the end caps are hard plastic, then yes this could definitely be an issue on some vehicles if there's an interference fit on some vehicles.

funflyer - what vehicle were you measuring the metal center tube on?

Suggest emailing Jay (aka Motorking here) with a link to this thread so he can see it and pass along the info within Fram for possible improvements.

Here's his email: [email protected]

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#4120255 - 06/10/16 08:08 AM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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Very clear reporting, Fram says 1.108" is the spec for the hole, but they made the hole 1.091". As was said.

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#4120262 - 06/10/16 08:19 AM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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I recently did oil changes on my dads Corolla and my sisters Highlander using Ultra cartridges and both were very tight as well.
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#4120281 - 06/10/16 08:45 AM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: goodtimes]
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Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Very clear reporting, Fram says 1.108" is the spec for the hole, but they made the hole 1.091". As was said.


Exactly! Why should there be any extra work for the consumer when this should be a 'direct fit replacement'. Great detective work and bonus points for conducting this on more than one filter. In essence showing that this batch, at least, is defective.
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#4120292 - 06/10/16 08:59 AM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: funflyer]
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Don't know what the oil inlet side looks like, but the OE will allow oil to flow into the pleats more directly instead of going around the end cap. Depends on how close the end cap is to the inlet base, if it could be an issue.

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#4120323 - 06/10/16 09:33 AM Re: Fram Ultra Synthetic Cartridge Problem [Re: ZeeOSix]
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

If the end caps are hard plastic, then yes this could definitely be an issue on some vehicles if there's an interference fit on some vehicles.

funflyer - what vehicle were you measuring the metal center tube on?

Suggest emailing Jay (aka Motorking here) with a link to this thread so he can see it and pass along the info within Fram for possible improvements.

Here's his email: [email protected]


It's a 2016 Toyota Prius. Cap is p/n 15620-37010, same one used on Corolla, Matrix and Scion. I'll shoot Jay an email today.


Originally Posted By: bvance554
The Pronto cartridges that I get for $1.83 each on Rockauto look better than both of those filters.


Actually the Fram and Wix both are very well constructed. Their synthetic media is far superior to most others available. Are Pronto filters still Premium Guard? There might be a good reason they're dirt cheap.
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