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Half an Oil Change? #4021490
02/25/16 01:16 PM
02/25/16 01:16 PM
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Ihatetochangeoil Offline OP
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I just did UOA and got my report. I would post it, but BITOG doesn't accommodate posting pdf files, and I'm too lazy to manually enter all the data. Getting to the point, my particle count is 14/13/11 compared to my baseline sample of new oil having 17/16/13; so my oil is about 8 times as clean as new oil, all of my wear metals look excellent and my TBN is well within limits...

However, I don't think my air filter is as good as my oil filtration; I've got 30 ppm silicon. (Blackstone and other labs start caution at about 20 ppm Si.). Since I've run the oil only 8K, I've used (and drawn out samples) consisting of almost half a quart. I've got a valve mounted inline to draw samples from, so, I thought, why not "bleed" off a quart and top up with new oil? This should slightly lower my silicon count and raise my TBN.

Having already done this, I ended up topping up 2 new quarts and I'm now 100% full on a 5 quart system. Anybody ever heard of half an oil change? Thoughts? Comments? Why did I save HALF my oil? Answer: Because it's much cleaner by particle count than what comes out of the bottle as new.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021492
02/25/16 01:22 PM
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That's basically what an oil burner does by default. Partial oil "changes" all the time.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Atesz792] #4021495
02/25/16 01:26 PM
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Yes, but let's see what happens in the next several thousand miles. I do not leak or burn oil and now have clinically clean oil.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021501
02/25/16 01:31 PM
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Are you saying the new oil you put in the engine is dirtier than what you take out?

Last edited by 2010Civic; 02/25/16 01:31 PM.

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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: 2010Civic] #4021504
02/25/16 01:33 PM
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Yes. But I purposely drained a quart to lower my Si ppm and raise the TBN.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021505
02/25/16 01:34 PM
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What you think it's done at quick lubes? Kiddo.

Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021507
02/25/16 01:38 PM
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Surely you jest. No one at a quick lube will touch my vehicle. You can do what you wish, and I'll do as I please. Thank you. BTW, try to find anyone at any "quick lube" that has even heard of ISO 4406.

The oil in my car with 8K on it is cleaner than any oil in any car on a dealer lot.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021523
02/25/16 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
I just did UOA and got my report. I would post it, but BITOG doesn't accommodate posting pdf files, and I'm too lazy to manually enter all the data.


Let me fix that for you:
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
I just did UOA and got my report. I would post it, I'm too lazy to take a screen shot and host it on a free image hosting service.


Fixed grin2

also bitog encourages posting the UOA as a CODE so its still here in 5 years as pictures seem to come and go. Takes aprox 2min.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Rand] #4021573
02/25/16 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
I just did UOA and got my report. I would post it, but BITOG doesn't accommodate posting pdf files, and I'm too lazy to manually enter all the data.


Let me fix that for you:
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
I just did UOA and got my report. I would post it, I'm too lazy to take a screen shot and host it on a free image hosting service.


Fixed grin2

also bitog encourages posting the UOA as a CODE so its still here in 5 years as pictures seem to come and go. Takes aprox 2min.


basically, copy this and replace the data points with yours:
Code:
OIL             GC0w30   GC0w30
MILES IN USE    4.4k     4.6k     
MILES           152.5k   148.1k   
SAMPLE TAKEN    10/27/07 7/21/07  

ALUMINUM        2        3        
CHROMIUM        0        1        
IRON            12       17       
COPPER          14       13       
LEAD            22       19       
TIN             0        0        
MOLYBDENUM      6        18       
NICKEL          0        1        
MANGANESE       0        0        
SILVER          0        0        
TITANIUM        0        0        
POTASSIUM       6        10       
BORON           5        12       
SILICON         7        9        
SODIUM          19       24       
CALCIUM         1866     2013     
MAGNESIUM       525      424      
PHOSPHORUS      842      797      
ZINC            1082     1041     
BARIUM          0        0
     
INSOLUBLES      0.4      0.3      
WATER           0        0        
FLASHPOINT F   415      395      
SUS VIS 210F   66.8     67.7     
cSt @ 212F     12.11    12.33


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: earlyre] #4021574
02/25/16 02:59 PM
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Thanks Rand; I'll get to work and try that. Results or **** coming.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021587
02/25/16 03:15 PM
02/25/16 03:15 PM
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The air filtration is the most important filtration.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021593
02/25/16 03:22 PM
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Here goes, let's see what happens...

OIL AMSOIL 5W30
MILES IN USE 8.0k
MILES 67k 67k
SAMPLE TAKEN 02/19/16
New Oil
ALUMINUM 1 1
CHROMIUM 1 0
IRON 16 1
COPPER 18 0
LEAD 02 0
TIN 1 0
MOLYBDENUM 137 147
NICKEL 0 0
MANGANESE 0 0
SILVER 0 1
TITANIUM 0 0
POTASSIUM 0 4
BORON 134 207
SILICON 30 6
SODIUM 30 3
CALCIUM 3059 3862
MAGNESIUM 13 14
PHOSPHORUS 595 690
ZINC 667 788
BARIUM 0 0

INSOLUBLES N/A N/A
WATER <.1 <.1
FLASHPOINT F N/A N/A
SUS VIS 210F N/A N/A
cSt @ 212F 11.3 10.4
ISO 4406 14/13/11 >4 137um >6um 74 >10um 27 >14um 12 >21um 4 >38um 0
Baseline 17/16/13 >4 794um >6um 432 >10um 161 >14um 73 >21um 24 >38um 3

I have my testing done at Oil Analysers; they do not provide Insolubles, Flashpoint or SUS VIS 210F; but I do have particle counting done.

Edit: this is not at all what I posted; nor did it come out worth a ****. I tried.

Last edited by Ihatetochangeoil; 02/25/16 03:27 PM.

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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: earlyre] #4021607
02/25/16 03:34 PM
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Earlye, Thanks for the insults and no help. I did what you suggested and got nowhere. Good thing I'm doing my UOA for my own info and not to impress strangers.


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Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021626
02/25/16 03:53 PM
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Code:
OIL AMSOIL 5W30
MILES IN USE 8.0k
MILES 67k 
SAMPLE TAKEN 02/19/16

Element  Used Oil New Oil
ALUMINUM     1       1
CHROMIUM     1       0
IRON        16       1
COPPER      18       0
LEAD         2       0
TIN          1       0
MOLYBDENUM 137     147
NICKEL       0       0
MANGANESE    0       0
SILVER       0       1
TITANIUM     0       0
POTASSIUM    0       4
BORON      134     207
SILICON     30       6
SODIUM      30       3
CALCIUM   3059    3862
MAGNESIUM   13      14
PHOSPHORUS 595     690
ZINC       667     788
BARIUM       0       0

INSOLUBLES N/A     N/A
WATER      <.1     <.1
FLASHPOINT F N/A  N/A
SUS VIS 210F N/A  N/A
cSt @ 212F 11.3  10.4
ISO 4406 14/13/11 >4um 137 >6um  74 >10um  27 >14um 12 >21um  4 >38um 0
Baseline 17/16/13 >4um 794 >6um 432 >10um 161 >14um 73 >21um 24 >38um 3

Last edited by mk378; 02/25/16 03:59 PM.
Re: Half an Oil Change? [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4021644
02/25/16 04:11 PM
02/25/16 04:11 PM
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If your using Windows, open the PDF, use the snipping tool cut the data you want from the pdf and paste into paint. Then save as a JPEG and post that.


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