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#3192144 - 11/19/13 04:51 PM PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils
Tom NJ Offline


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PQIA has completed it's first round of testing on 5W-20 oils. Many of the Noack results are pushing the limit, and some have exceeded it. Otherwise they look as expected.

Petroleum Quality Institute of America

Tom NJ

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#3192149 - 11/19/13 04:58 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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#3192154 - 11/19/13 05:02 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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The NOACK thing is interesting. IIRC we've discussed that on the forums before.
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#3192155 - 11/19/13 05:03 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Got to like that Havoline!!
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#3192161 - 11/19/13 05:11 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Their copy says something about the use of 5W-20 growing. I'm not sure about that, since the carmakers that went to 5W-20 are nearly all shifting to 0W-20 by now.

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#3192168 - 11/19/13 05:20 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: y_p_w]
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Originally Posted By: y_p_w
Their copy says something about the use of 5W-20 growing. I'm not sure about that, since the carmakers that went to 5W-20 are nearly all shifting to 0W-20 by now.

Yup. And then they backspec their older models to allow for 0W-20.
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#3192176 - 11/19/13 05:28 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Yep Havoline looks the best out of the bunch. I can't find much wrong with it except it needs a little more moly. I sure hope they do the top tier conventional and synthetics soon.
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#3192178 - 11/19/13 05:28 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Interesting. Isnít there decent evidence that VIIs come with volatility drawbacks in some/many cases though? I would have expected the 5w20s to do better than the 5w30s.

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#3192180 - 11/19/13 05:32 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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The havoline is full synthetic and the rest are conventional and blends? It should be the winner out of this group tested.
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#3192199 - 11/19/13 05:53 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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I'd like to see the dino Havoline DS 5W20 as I have a boat load of it, as well as a decent stash of the Havoline Synthetic 5W20


Edited by Char Baby (11/19/13 05:56 PM)
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#3192217 - 11/19/13 06:14 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
martinq Offline


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Interesting how the lightest -30C oil tested, and second highest VI, also has the lowest NOACK.


Edited by martinq (11/19/13 06:15 PM)

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#3192243 - 11/19/13 06:40 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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these seem like odd brands to start withother than the shell and havline. where's sopus, mobil, Valvoline, ST, AZ, AAP etc. guess coming later

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#3192251 - 11/19/13 06:51 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: SLATRON]
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Originally Posted By: SLATRON
these seem like odd brands to start withother than the shell and havline. where's sopus, mobil, Valvoline, ST, AZ, AAP etc. guess coming later

Most people aren't suspicious of the big brands, although I suppose they wanted to have a representative sample. Even so, I know some people who are suspicious about the quality of FormulaShell, since it's traditionally been a bargain brand when sold in the US.

The last time I remember Shell heavily marketing motor oil in the US was for "Fire & Ice":


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#3192253 - 11/19/13 06:53 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: martinq]
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Originally Posted By: martinq
Interesting how the lightest -30C oil tested, and second highest VI, also has the lowest NOACK.


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#3192269 - 11/19/13 07:08 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
PQIA has completed it's first round of testing on 5W-20 oils. Many of the Noack results are pushing the limit, and some have exceeded it. Otherwise they look as expected.

Petroleum Quality Institute of America

Tom NJ


I can't seem to find these tests on there. Can you give the exact place it is?

Wayne
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#3192275 - 11/19/13 07:13 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: wtd]
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Originally Posted By: wtd
I can't seem to find these tests on there. Can you give the exact place it is?

Wayne


Here ya go :^)

http://www.pqiamerica.com/Nov2013/5W20consolidatedl.html
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#3192292 - 11/19/13 07:40 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: SLATRON]
Tom NJ Offline


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Originally Posted By: SLATRON
these seem like odd brands to start withother than the shell and havline. where's sopus, mobil, Valvoline, ST, AZ, AAP etc. guess coming later


Oil samples are purchased on a random basis as found in retail outlets. There is no effort to target or avoid any brands. Additional 5W-20 samples will be forthcoming.

Tom NJ

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#3192315 - 11/19/13 07:57 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: SLATRON
these seem like odd brands to start withother than the shell and havline. where's sopus, mobil, Valvoline, ST, AZ, AAP etc. guess coming later


Oil samples are purchased on a random basis as found in retail outlets. There is no effort to target or avoid any brands. Additional 5W-20 samples will be forthcoming.

Tom NJ


I'd like to see PQIA officially test G-OIL's 5W-20 offerings. I just ran and posted two VOAs, so I think they would be rated well.

Take a look and see if they would be worth testing:

5W-20 Advanced SM: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3187459#Post3187459

5W-20 SN: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3188731#Post3188731

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#3192341 - 11/19/13 08:24 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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These 5w20 oil are not available in Canada. I only have seen Havoline here.
Not that I will use any of them.


Edited by MobilinHyundia (11/19/13 08:25 PM)
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#3192501 - 11/20/13 12:10 AM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: y_p_w]
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Originally Posted By: y_p_w
Even so, I know some people who are suspicious about the quality of FormulaShell, since it's traditionally been a bargain brand when sold in the US.

That seems to be the unfortunate legacy of Shell taking over Pennzoil-Quaker State. They got two of the most highly recognized oil brands out there, but their own product suffered.
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#3192708 - 11/20/13 09:02 AM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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I thought CP dumped the Super 76 line? I haven't seen it on the left coast for years.

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#3192815 - 11/20/13 11:02 AM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Once again Formula Shell looks like a ringer for QSGB, not a bad thing though.

I've seen FS advertised at smoking prices at some farm stores, but unfortunately none of those do business in my area yet. There is one farm store that carries it here at a decent everyday price but they never put it on sale. Yet they run Trop Artic for $1.99 a quart constantly.
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#3193202 - 11/20/13 07:26 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: wtd
I can't seem to find these tests on there. Can you give the exact place it is?

Wayne


Here ya go :^)

http://www.pqiamerica.com/Nov2013/5W20consolidatedl.html


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#3193443 - 11/21/13 05:59 AM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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So a synthetic whips the conventionals by a wide margin. Uh-oh.
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#3193462 - 11/21/13 06:49 AM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Sure, I too would have liked to see the oils grouped together(syn w/ syn...dino w/ dino) in their catigories but, it's still a very good start into the 5W20 range.

Thanks!
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#3246430 - 01/12/14 10:56 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: Tom NJ]
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Just putting a link here for the next thread in the series:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3244441/1

... and the next PQIA 5w20 report:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Nov2013/5W20consolidateddec30.html

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#3247356 - 01/13/14 06:44 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: KCJeep]
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Once again Formula Shell looks like a ringer for QSGB, not a bad thing though.

I've seen FS advertised at smoking prices at some farm stores, but unfortunately none of those do business in my area yet. There is one farm store that carries it here at a decent everyday price but they never put it on sale. Yet they run Trop Artic for $1.99 a quart constantly.


Not even the Shell Stations around here carry Formula Shell. They carry, rather unbelievably, Chevron Supreme and Havoline. Oh, well, QSAD appears to be the same additives, much better Noack, and is plentiful.


Edited by MinamiKotaro (01/13/14 06:45 PM)
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#3247395 - 01/13/14 07:16 PM Re: PQIA Tests 5W-20 Motor Oils [Re: MinamiKotaro]
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Many Essos up here carries PYB and QSGB, so that evens things out. wink

Chevron is found at Husky/Mohawk stations, but at least in western Canada, Husky/Mohawk is the distributor for Chevron products.
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