JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: Stelth
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Big holes in the ground and ponds of leachate and chemicals
Right... and there's nothing wrong with petrochemical processing and refining...
Not sure if you read the article. The writer isn't saying that we must stop manufacturing lithium-ion batteries to save the planet, or something like that. He does, however, point out that there are costs, consequences, and concerns associated with the manufacture of these batteries. Yes, he points out that some related processes cause local pollution. He also points out that the supply chain(s) may be somewhat tenuous. I don't see any of the modern environmental hysteria we're often deluged with.
Of course I read it. Let's face the facts, it starts by saying it is politically charged.
It goes on with information like the following:
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To produce lithium from ore, the ore is typically crushed. Then chemicals and high temperatures are used to separate the lithium from the rest of the rock.
Producing lithium this way requires land use changes – clearing land, digging mines and storing waste rock. Significant energy and chemical use are also needed to obtain to the final product.
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Environmentally, the lithium-ion battery’s future is also worrying. The production of electrode materials may become more environmentally damaging. On the other hand, the impact of the lithium supply itself is likely to improve
While actually insightful in terms of what the materials are inside, where things come from, how they are processed, etc., it's a bit one sided for my taste. EVs are mentioned more than once,mans this is an automotive-oriented site, with the link posted in the automotive general topics area, so the nature of the discussion is somewhat set by that.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Where did I say that ?
If certain groups are going to claim "environmental devastation" around their evil energy source of choice, they need to acknowledge that their preference does exactly the same sort of stuff, just in different places ?
Level playing field...
Level playing field, exactly... So here the pendulum swung the opposite way. Pot call the kettle black, or something like that...
There is no free lunch is a very valid point here. I'm no believer in EVs, but I am in using batteries to optimize sfc, like in hybrid cars. I am somewhat curious where the break even is for my hybrid. The battery has an impact. Yes. But most of it is recyclable, as most of the mass is copper and aluminum. And pumping more crude, more processing, more sulfur byproducts, etc. have their toll too.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Big holes in the ground and ponds of leachate and chemicals
Right... and there's nothing wrong with petrochemical processing and refining...
Not sure if you read the article. The writer isn't saying that we must stop manufacturing lithium-ion batteries to save the planet, or something like that. He does, however, point out that there are costs, consequences, and concerns associated with the manufacture of these batteries. Yes, he points out that some related processes cause local pollution. He also points out that the supply chain(s) may be somewhat tenuous. I don't see any of the modern environmental hysteria we're often deluged with.
Of course I read it. Let's face the facts, it starts by saying it is politically charged.
It goes on with information like the following:
Quote:
To produce lithium from ore, the ore is typically crushed. Then chemicals and high temperatures are used to separate the lithium from the rest of the rock.
Producing lithium this way requires land use changes – clearing land, digging mines and storing waste rock. Significant energy and chemical use are also needed to obtain to the final product.
Quote:
Environmentally, the lithium-ion battery’s future is also worrying. The production of electrode materials may become more environmentally damaging. On the other hand, the impact of the lithium supply itself is likely to improve
While actually insightful in terms of what the materials are inside, where things come from, how they are processed, etc., it's a bit one sided for my taste. EVs are mentioned more than once,mans this is an automotive-oriented site, with the link posted in the automotive general topics area, so the nature of the discussion is somewhat set by that.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Where did I say that ?
If certain groups are going to claim "environmental devastation" around their evil energy source of choice, they need to acknowledge that their preference does exactly the same sort of stuff, just in different places ?
Level playing field...
Level playing field, exactly... So here the pendulum swung the opposite way. Pot call the kettle black, or something like that...
There is no free lunch is a very valid point here. I'm no believer in EVs, but I am in using batteries to optimize sfc, like in hybrid cars. I am somewhat curious where the break even is for my hybrid. The battery has an impact. Yes. But most of it is recyclable, as most of the mass is copper and aluminum. And pumping more crude, more processing, more sulfur byproducts, etc. have their toll too.
