Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by littlehulkster
Originally Posted by edyvw
Toyota does not have a list since their engines are less sophisticated than was M50 engine in my 1991 BMW E34. However, where Toyota uses sophisticated engines, like European market where fuel prices are very high, and demand for fast car far more present than here, they do use those lists. Actually, two most unreliable diesel engines ever existed on European market in the last two decades were 1.4 and 2.2 engines made by, guess who? Toyota. So now, since beginning of 2000 Toyota buys diesels from BMW (and now for Supra too).
So no, Toyota is not MOST RELIABLE company on earth as their diesels could not make 60k in miles without engines literally disintegrating.
On top of that, it drives like beer can compared to Tiguan I have, including Land Cruiser I own in Europe, which had more issues than my BMW X5 I owned before this atrocity called Sienna.
Edit. since September of this year I had to invest in Sienna more money than in Tiguan since 2013.
Oh god, this is rich.
Please explain how, exactly, Toyota engines are "less sophisticated"
I'm all ears.
It's funny that you mention the M50, an engine which didn't have variable valve timing until 1993 (when the Japanese untermensch had been using it since the 80s) and it NEVER worked correctly when it did, despite systems from Honda, Toyota, Nissan and even Mitsubishi functioning flawlessly. Truly, the mark of superior engineering is being worse than Mitsubishi...
Do tell us what makes Toyota engine sophisticated? What makes my 2GR-FE engine sophisticated in this beer can of a vehicle? What makes 5.7 V8 in LC or other SUV's sophisticated? Valve timing is not the end of the world. What makes today DI engines in Highlander and other vehicles sophisticated except it is well, DI< same thing Volvo had in 1998, or VW in 2002?
M50 did not have VANOS, and I sold it with 425k km on the clock, and was still much more of an engine than this V6 hair dryer in Sienna, and we are talking about 1991. It had simple oil chart, same like today's Toyota's. However, testament about BMW engines is the fact that, well, Toyota is using them, not other way around.
Still, as you are obviously not aware, Toyota diesel engines were some of the biggest failures in automotive industry.
And VANOS never worked properly? LOL, well BMW is not built nor intended to be dumb proof. South Dakota market was never their intended marketplace.
Here we go, falling back into the "everyone is dumb but me" defense of German cars. That one is always a winner. Almost as good as dodging questions with another question.
If you can't even name one thing that makes your beloved German junk "sophisticated", then it's pretty clear you're not smart enough to be having this discussion. So really, the target audience for German cars. Arrogance is their bread and butter, after all.
By the way, have you ever considered that Toyota is using a BMW engine in the new Supra because they didn't want to design an all new engine for a niche sports car, rather than them being too dumb? You do realize that they had a 3.0 I6 engine that made just about the same power as your vaunted German wundermotor all the way back in 1991, right? It was around the same time that the Aryan supermen in Bavaria could only manage 240hp from their very best engine of the same size, probably because they weren't smart enough to embrace modern technology like Toyota. In fact, Toyota's engines were so far ahead of the German garbage that a regular, mass produced 2JZ-GTE made more horsepower than BMW's hand built homologation specials.
Of course, that's not a fair comparison. The M3 was only a midrange car, after all. Now, if we were to compare BMW's top of the line sports car, the 8 series, to the Supra, BMW was able in their very tippy top of the line model, with less than 2000 ever made, to wring out more horsepower than Toyota (from twice the cylinders and nearly double the displacement) but the end result was a car that was still considerably slower, less reliable, far more complex and literally 3x as expensive. You can replace Supra with 300ZX, 3000GT or RX-7 and the outcome is still the same. BMW's stone age cars couldn't compete with the Japanese even at 3 times the price. But hey, the 8 series had advanced German technology, like 4 wheel steering, similar to that of a 1988 Honda Prelude.
Also, VANOS didn't work because it was garbage, not because everyone on earth is too stupid to comprehend the genius of the Aryan superman.