Mental health is the root cause of the problem. Relatively speaking, there aren't a lot of people who are simply "junkies" without some sort of underlying mental issue. People with issues will tend to congregate where there are resources. There's no easy fix.
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While this is true, the source of genetic deficiency is not as big as it seems. People end up screwed up in the head due to life choices more often rather than the opposite. I have been around every type of human in my short lifetime, and met only a handful of mentally retarded cases that are homeless. Even those are intermittent, as medications level them out and/or they do not want to be without a dwelling. In contrast, the homeless that are "permanent residents of the street" all are with it, at least enough to go and seek help from state/fed/local resources. They just don't, often due to UAs.
This is a touchy subject when it comes to human rights, and no one is to say who is competent or not. The USSR was looked down upon due to institutionalizing incompetents, but the society as a whole benefited. Think of kittens, they don't even reach the teat if they have issues, the mother cat will kill them. I'm not saying leave them for dead, that's cruel, but giving the people the "rights" that know not what to do with them is just the same. There are ways to involve and employ people that can not survive when left to their devices, what Goodwill does is an example.
No one just gives a rip enough, and the ones that do let their emotions overtake rational decision making.
This is a touchy subject when it comes to human rights, and no one is to say who is competent or not. The USSR was looked down upon due to institutionalizing incompetents, but the society as a whole benefited. Think of kittens, they don't even reach the teat if they have issues, the mother cat will kill them. I'm not saying leave them for dead, that's cruel, but giving the people the "rights" that know not what to do with them is just the same. There are ways to involve and employ people that can not survive when left to their devices, what Goodwill does is an example.
No one just gives a rip enough, and the ones that do let their emotions overtake rational decision making.
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
The homeless problem is so bad here that I will not walk down State St in Santa Barbara which is the main street here. Businesses complain of the homeless blocking their doors and sidewalks and are told they have to tolerate it.
I spent some time in Santa Barbara about 20 years ago. It was a very clean, nice and friendly place back then. I very much liked it. No homeless on the street back then. It must have changed a lot.
The homeless problem is so bad here that I will not walk down State St in Santa Barbara which is the main street here. Businesses complain of the homeless blocking their doors and sidewalks and are told they have to tolerate it.
I spent some time in Santa Barbara about 20 years ago. It was a very clean, nice and friendly place back then. I very much liked it. No homeless on the street back then. It must have changed a lot.
In Tacoma where the problem is growing like most places, they just tore down a old hospital building to get ready for some new development. They discovered that the place was like a homeless hotel. Dozens and dozens of peopleentering by breaking in of course. The building had been vacant for a while.
In the nearby gulches where the freeway run they are thick in there. Large camps. A lax government lets them stay.
Another idea catching on are mostly younger people living in rv’s. They can park right in front of your house but have to move within 72 hours. It’s cheaper to buy a used rv than to get a 1920 800sf bungalow that is $250k in Tacoma and twice that in Seattle. Real estate prices certainly have their impact this way.
In the nearby gulches where the freeway run they are thick in there. Large camps. A lax government lets them stay.
Another idea catching on are mostly younger people living in rv’s. They can park right in front of your house but have to move within 72 hours. It’s cheaper to buy a used rv than to get a 1920 800sf bungalow that is $250k in Tacoma and twice that in Seattle. Real estate prices certainly have their impact this way.
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
You get the climate you vote for!
no way did I ever vote the way this state leans.
You did if you bought property there! You voted with your dollars and do so again and again with every tax bill.
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
You get the climate you vote for!
no way did I ever vote the way this state leans.
You did if you bought property there! You voted with your dollars and do so again and again with every tax bill.
City life is city life no matter where you go. Some cities are worse than others. The great elected socialist leaders love coddling the so-called downtrodden in society. They need them to stay in power.
Paraphrased:"Every one of the hard drug addicted females I treated as the Vancouver City Physician for addicts, had been raped as children." Dr. Gabor Mate in his book: In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts.
Also reference Dr Vincent Felitti. US Center for Disease Control, results of high Adverse Childhood Experience score.
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Also reference Dr Vincent Felitti. US Center for Disease Control, results of high Adverse Childhood Experience score.
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There's one Petro-Canada here where I haven't been able to walk in once for a few years already without someone asking for something. The management clearly doesn't care much about it, either.
Originally Posted By: bigj_16
Chris, not being flippant, but it is time to go. I moved in November 2012, and haven't looked back. I had planned on living in SoCal for the rest of my life, but I was observing things happening, and I could see trends. I firmly believe we got out just at the right time.
Yeah, but they can be everywhere in the country. In my state, it gets pretty cold here, sometimes down to the 20's for a few weeks and they still stick around. Usually there's a story every year or so about a few freezing to death all the time when it gets really cold. Haven't read any this year, but might have just missed it or they're getting better at getting people out of the cold when the temperature really drops.
Chris, not being flippant, but it is time to go. I moved in November 2012, and haven't looked back. I had planned on living in SoCal for the rest of my life, but I was observing things happening, and I could see trends. I firmly believe we got out just at the right time.
Yeah, but they can be everywhere in the country. In my state, it gets pretty cold here, sometimes down to the 20's for a few weeks and they still stick around. Usually there's a story every year or so about a few freezing to death all the time when it gets really cold. Haven't read any this year, but might have just missed it or they're getting better at getting people out of the cold when the temperature really drops.
I have thought about moving. But dangit I just inherited the house,have a great job and my boss wants me to take it over when he retires.
Originally Posted By: Chris142
I have thought about moving. But dangit I just inherited the house,have a great job and my boss wants me to take it over when he retires.
Will you purchase his business..... or be the manager and he will still own it ?
Stay where you are if house is paid off.
I have thought about moving. But dangit I just inherited the house,have a great job and my boss wants me to take it over when he retires.
Will you purchase his business..... or be the manager and he will still own it ?
Stay where you are if house is paid off.
The worst I’ve ever seen was San Francisco. I was traveling for work and drove into the city for dinner one night. I saw so many homeless and drug addicts in alleys I thought I was in a 3rd world country. I felt like I was in a movie scene of some dystopian city. Also walked by people moving their bowels on the sidewalks in plain view of pedestrians. How do citizens put up with that?
True indeed. We got down to -5°F here in my area.
This issue touches upon a myriad numbers of factors of individual life, family life and society as a whole. There are a lot of factors that go into thinking of this circumstance of people being homeless.
1) their own life experiences
2) their own psychological make up
3) their physiological or biochemistry make up.
4) their family life and experience within that structure
5) their experience from outside people around them
6) their own learned coping skills or lack thereof
7) their own substance abuse issues or not having any of them at all
8) their own educational achievement or lack thereof
9) their own experiences out in the world has adults
10) the local society and it's norms and expectations
11) any faith experiences... Good or bad as they may be..
12) biochemistry changes within their brain that could lead to a whole other host of problems
13) or medications meant to help I'm balances actually are ineffective or actually cause more trouble
14) or medications that have actually helped but the individual either refuses to take them or... Can't afford them...
15) employment history... What if any do they gave?? Or skills learned??
16) or people who served in the military and have major psychological issues that have not been addressed in a good way..
There's even more than these listed to factor in as well... Could be surprising but there are numbers of people homeless who actually were accomplished at one time in their lives... It is not always a straight forward deal like we like to try to make it out to be.
Having said all that.. I have people holding up signs asking for money right in my area of town. And it is the high end nice area of town. I don't give them a dime. Why?? These people only show up on nice sunny weather days.... If it is cool or cold... They aren't out there. And of course if it's raining or snowing... They obviously aren't out there either. So... These "fair" aka good weather beggars get zero from me. If they were out there in the cold, rain, snow and also the nice sunny days.... Then I would likely give them something. But they aren't. They obviously have no dedication to "the cause". So.. I think these people are fake phony people trying to get money. I am not good with those World Champions.
This issue touches upon a myriad numbers of factors of individual life, family life and society as a whole. There are a lot of factors that go into thinking of this circumstance of people being homeless.
1) their own life experiences
2) their own psychological make up
3) their physiological or biochemistry make up.
4) their family life and experience within that structure
5) their experience from outside people around them
6) their own learned coping skills or lack thereof
7) their own substance abuse issues or not having any of them at all
8) their own educational achievement or lack thereof
9) their own experiences out in the world has adults
10) the local society and it's norms and expectations
11) any faith experiences... Good or bad as they may be..
12) biochemistry changes within their brain that could lead to a whole other host of problems
13) or medications meant to help I'm balances actually are ineffective or actually cause more trouble
14) or medications that have actually helped but the individual either refuses to take them or... Can't afford them...
15) employment history... What if any do they gave?? Or skills learned??
16) or people who served in the military and have major psychological issues that have not been addressed in a good way..
There's even more than these listed to factor in as well... Could be surprising but there are numbers of people homeless who actually were accomplished at one time in their lives... It is not always a straight forward deal like we like to try to make it out to be.
Having said all that.. I have people holding up signs asking for money right in my area of town. And it is the high end nice area of town. I don't give them a dime. Why?? These people only show up on nice sunny weather days.... If it is cool or cold... They aren't out there. And of course if it's raining or snowing... They obviously aren't out there either. So... These "fair" aka good weather beggars get zero from me. If they were out there in the cold, rain, snow and also the nice sunny days.... Then I would likely give them something. But they aren't. They obviously have no dedication to "the cause". So.. I think these people are fake phony people trying to get money. I am not good with those World Champions.
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
The homeless problem is so bad here that I will not walk down State St in Santa Barbara which is the main street here. Businesses complain of the homeless blocking their doors and sidewalks and are told they have to tolerate it.
I spent some time in Santa Barbara about 20 years ago. It was a very clean, nice and friendly place back then. I very much liked it. No homeless on the street back then. It must have changed a lot.
They decided to cater to them. Real tough for business owners who try and attract tourist dollars. Very touchy situation.
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
The homeless problem is so bad here that I will not walk down State St in Santa Barbara which is the main street here. Businesses complain of the homeless blocking their doors and sidewalks and are told they have to tolerate it.
I spent some time in Santa Barbara about 20 years ago. It was a very clean, nice and friendly place back then. I very much liked it. No homeless on the street back then. It must have changed a lot.
They decided to cater to them. Real tough for business owners who try and attract tourist dollars. Very touchy situation.
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
You get the climate you vote for!
no way did I ever vote the way this state leans.
At the risk of sounding political, me too. Unlike our governor who claims: ". . . a state that’s actually working.”
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
You get the climate you vote for!
no way did I ever vote the way this state leans.
At the risk of sounding political, me too. Unlike our governor who claims: ". . . a state that’s actually working.”
Originally Posted By: fsdork
Mental health is the root cause of the problem. Relatively speaking, there aren't a lot of people who are simply "junkies" without some sort of underlying mental issue. People with issues will tend to congregate where there are resources. There's no easy fix.
Yep! And we're too cheap as a country to get them help, so this is how the problem manifests itself.
Mental health is the root cause of the problem. Relatively speaking, there aren't a lot of people who are simply "junkies" without some sort of underlying mental issue. People with issues will tend to congregate where there are resources. There's no easy fix.
Yep! And we're too cheap as a country to get them help, so this is how the problem manifests itself.
Originally Posted By: PimTac
I read that there are over 68000 homeless in LA. That number may be conservative. The Bay Area is another hotspot.
Seattle has a huge problem as well. The city parks are overrun with homeless and addicts. They are dread zones for everyone else. Downtown is loaded with homeless and businesses are complaining to no avail. Every major city has this issue but certain ones allow more leniency.
That is over 10 times the population of my town.
I read that there are over 68000 homeless in LA. That number may be conservative. The Bay Area is another hotspot.
Seattle has a huge problem as well. The city parks are overrun with homeless and addicts. They are dread zones for everyone else. Downtown is loaded with homeless and businesses are complaining to no avail. Every major city has this issue but certain ones allow more leniency.
That is over 10 times the population of my town.
They’re everywhere where I live, too. Some of the same ones have been standing in their places for years. “Starving”, but they weigh in excess of 250 pounds! “Poor”, but have smartphones, designer clothes, and smokes. I can’t count the times I see them buying booze or walking around in a drug stupor. I grew up poor, and my folks taught me how to earn money. My grandfather grew up in the Depression, and he was a genius at buying, selling, and bartering. He and my parents taught me to sell produce, crafts, you name it. They also taught me to repair things. Thanks to them I’ll never have to beg.
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