Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
An engine that’s engineered for a particular lubricant does not have such a high failure rate because of said lubricant, it’s an engineering flaw. There are many Diesel engines that go hundreds of thousands of miles on C3 lubricants. I don’t know how to dumb it down any further.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
FCA is holding data but it is publicly saying it is oil related. So, let me get this straight: FCA is in business of making engines but not oil. So they blamed oil made by Shell and then decided to use another oil also made by Shell. No autopsies are performed but they know it is oil and they are holding data.
Geeez.
The autopsies may have been performed by the dealer, however the data is owned by FCA. They (FCA) are the only ones who know exactly what is happening. Publicly, they say it's oil related failures.
FCA did not blame the oil itself or Shell, but the C3 type of oil made by Pennzoil.
The failures may primarily be from coolant contamination of the engine oil. If so, it's still an oil related failure. A warranty repair. Period.
Design flaw or low quality parts that fail (Oil/EGR coolers). Statistically, the causes are known only to FCA.
I've already made my point, and the information provided is accurate. I choose to not use any C3 lube in a utility vehicle used for moderate duty or towing 7.5K lbs based on the Ecodiesel fiasco. As a result, I'm getting great oil reports with low wear numbers with a CJ-4 substitue. Dumb? Case closed.
All you're doing is speculating.
So that is why FCA said it is OK to use C3 5W40, OR A3/B3 B4 5W40 OR CJ-4 5W40?
Autopsies performed by dealer?
This is becoming interesting, keep going.
The new Ecodiesel spec is the same as Cummins CES 20081. There is no C3 oil, 5w40 or otherwise that’s meets that specification. There all CJ/CK low ash type HDEOs.
http://www.lubritecinc.com/PDF/CES20081B.pdf
Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
An engine that’s engineered for a particular lubricant does not have such a high failure rate because of said lubricant, it’s an engineering flaw. There are many Diesel engines that go hundreds of thousands of miles on C3 lubricants. I don’t know how to dumb it down any further.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
FCA is holding data but it is publicly saying it is oil related. So, let me get this straight: FCA is in business of making engines but not oil. So they blamed oil made by Shell and then decided to use another oil also made by Shell. No autopsies are performed but they know it is oil and they are holding data.
Geeez.
The autopsies may have been performed by the dealer, however the data is owned by FCA. They (FCA) are the only ones who know exactly what is happening. Publicly, they say it's oil related failures.
FCA did not blame the oil itself or Shell, but the C3 type of oil made by Pennzoil.
The failures may primarily be from coolant contamination of the engine oil. If so, it's still an oil related failure. A warranty repair. Period.
Design flaw or low quality parts that fail (Oil/EGR coolers). Statistically, the causes are known only to FCA.
I've already made my point, and the information provided is accurate. I choose to not use any C3 lube in a utility vehicle used for moderate duty or towing 7.5K lbs based on the Ecodiesel fiasco. As a result, I'm getting great oil reports with low wear numbers with a CJ-4 substitue. Dumb? Case closed.
All you're doing is speculating.
So that is why FCA said it is OK to use C3 5W40, OR A3/B3 B4 5W40 OR CJ-4 5W40?
Autopsies performed by dealer?
This is becoming interesting, keep going.
The new Ecodiesel spec is the same as Cummins CES 20081. There is no C3 oil, 5w40 or otherwise that’s meets that specification. There all CJ/CK low ash type HDEOs.
http://www.lubritecinc.com/PDF/CES20081B.pdf