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Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Why do you think inflation is a good thing?
The talking heads on the TV says so.



It's all relative. If income is increased then folks have more money to spend. That's what you want, right? When people have more money to spend, prices can increase because people have more money to spend and will spend the extra amount. That's inflation in a nutshell and then we're right back to where we started. No extra income. Poor folks are even poorer. What little money they have is worth less.

You haven't gained anything; you've lost unless your income increases faster than the inflation rate/COL. Everyone just makes a little more money and things cost a little bit more. Since currency is fiat money - it's just a piece of paper we all agree is worth what it's worth, inflation just makes it worth a less, therefor we need more of it to purchase things.


Not true, it allows those lower incomes to not spend if they choose to do so if they need to but allows them to live and inflation of prices keeps the economy moving and wages further growing.

Tell me how is this stagnation and crashes been working these past few decades?
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Why do you think inflation is a good thing?
The talking heads on the TV says so.



It's all relative. If income is increased then folks have more money to spend. That's what you want, right? When people have more money to spend, prices can increase because people have more money to spend and will spend the extra amount. That's inflation in a nutshell and then we're right back to where we started. No extra income. Poor folks are even poorer. What little money they have is worth less.

You haven't gained anything; you've lost unless your income increases faster than the inflation rate/COL. Everyone just makes a little more money and things cost a little bit more. Since currency is fiat money - it's just a piece of paper we all agree is worth what it's worth, inflation just makes it worth a less, therefor we need more of it to purchase things.


Increases in wages are not inflationary. They merely represent a reduction in net income to business owners. The total amount of money involved doesn't change
As Milton Friedman wrote so many years ago, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.
What this means is that rates of inflation are entirely dependent upon the monetary policy followed by a central bank.
Anything else is simply a change in relative price, so labor would become relatively more costly while using capital goods to replace it would become more attractive.
Central banks typically target a low rate of inflation, like around 2%. The targets that the ECB and the Fed seek are in this range while BOJ has been trying to get a little inflation going for decades now. The reason for this is that inflation isn't measurable in real time and the alternative of deflation is so dangerous to any economy that any sane central bank follows policies to avoid it. Just think of how an actual appreciation in the value of a currency in real, not relative, terms would affect markets for goods of all kinds as well as the terrific burden it would place on holders of debt. In a world where goods were growing ever cheaper, purchases other than food and other necessities would be postponed and debt would grow ever more expensive to service.
Central banks therefore aim for a little inflation, since as much as they'd like currency stability instead, the measurement tools available simply aren't good enough to enable this.
Now, everyone can have their cake and eat it too as long as labor productivity growth is reflected in wage growth.
For the past decade or so, it hasn't been. There are various reasons for this, like the massive debt burdens so many companies have incurred in trying to meet the demands of large institutional investors who have flooded into equities in search of the returns that aren't available on debt these days as well as a cyclical wave of acquisitions and LBOs that have left companies with growing debt burdens to service, but at the end of the day, every company depends more upon its line workers than its senior management for its survival and prosperity and the relative wage levels of these two classes of workers should reflect this.
They don't, with mediocre senior management teams richly rewarding themselves while paying peanuts to those who are the productive and public face of their companies.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Why do you think inflation is a good thing?
The talking heads on the TV says so.



It's all relative. If income is increased then folks have more money to spend. That's what you want, right? When people have more money to spend, prices can increase because people have more money to spend and will spend the extra amount. That's inflation in a nutshell and then we're right back to where we started. No extra income. Poor folks are even poorer. What little money they have is worth less.

You haven't gained anything; you've lost unless your income increases faster than the inflation rate/COL. Everyone just makes a little more money and things cost a little bit more. Since currency is fiat money - it's just a piece of paper we all agree is worth what it's worth, inflation just makes it worth a less, therefor we need more of it to purchase things.


Increases in wages are not inflationary. They merely represent a reduction in net income to business owners. The total amount of money involved doesn't change
As Milton Friedman wrote so many years ago, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.
What this means is that rates of inflation are entirely dependent upon the monetary policy followed by a central bank.
Anything else is simply a change in relative price, so labor would become relatively more costly while using capital goods to replace it would become more attractive.
Central banks typically target a low rate of inflation, like around 2%. The targets that the ECB and the Fed seek are in this range while BOJ has been trying to get a little inflation going for decades now. The reason for this is that inflation isn't measurable in real time and the alternative of deflation is so dangerous to any economy that any sane central bank follows policies to avoid it. Just think of how an actual appreciation in the value of a currency in real, not relative, terms would affect markets for goods of all kinds as well as the terrific burden it would place on holders of debt. In a world where goods were growing ever cheaper, purchases other than food and other necessities would be postponed and debt would grow ever more expensive to service.
Central banks therefore aim for a little inflation, since as much as they'd like currency stability instead, the measurement tools available simply aren't good enough to enable this.
Now, everyone can have their cake and eat it too as long as labor productivity growth is reflected in wage growth.
For the past decade or so, it hasn't been. There are various reasons for this, like the massive debt burdens so many companies have incurred in trying to meet the demands of large institutional investors who have flooded into equities in search of the returns that aren't available on debt these days as well as a cyclical wave of acquisitions and LBOs that have left companies with growing debt burdens to service, but at the end of the day, every company depends more upon its line workers than its senior management for its survival and prosperity and the relative wage levels of these two classes of workers should reflect this.
They don't, with mediocre senior management teams richly rewarding themselves while paying peanuts to those who are the productive and public face of their companies.


Causes of Inflation
There is no single theory for the cause of inflation that is universally agreed upon by economists and academics, but there are a few hypotheses that are commonly held.

Demand-Pull Inflation – Inflation is caused by the overall increase in demand for goods and services, which bids up their prices. This theory can be summarized as "too much money chasing too few goods". In other words, if demand is growing faster than supply, prices will increase. This usually occurs in rapidly growing economies. This theory is often promoted by the Keynesian school of economics.

Cost-Push Inflation – Inflation is caused when companies' costs of production go up. When this happens, they need to increase prices to maintain their profit margins. Increased costs can include things such as wages, taxes, or increased costs of natural resources or imports.

Monetary Inflation – Inflation is caused by an oversupply of money in the economy. Just like any other commodity, the prices of things are determined by their supply and demand. If there is too much supply, the price of that thing goes down. If that thing is money, and too much supply of money makes its value go down, the result is that the prices of everything else priced in dollars must go up! This theory is often promoted by the “Monetarist” school of economics.



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Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: Leo99



It's all relative. If income is increased then folks have more money to spend. That's what you want, right? When people have more money to spend, prices can increase because people have more money to spend and will spend the extra amount. That's inflation in a nutshell and then we're right back to where we started. No extra income. Poor folks are even poorer. What little money they have is worth less.

You haven't gained anything; you've lost unless your income increases faster than the inflation rate/COL. Everyone just makes a little more money and things cost a little bit more. Since currency is fiat money - it's just a piece of paper we all agree is worth what it's worth, inflation just makes it worth a less, therefor we need more of it to purchase things.


Increases in wages are not inflationary. They merely represent a reduction in net income to business owners. The total amount of money involved doesn't change
As Milton Friedman wrote so many years ago, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.
What this means is that rates of inflation are entirely dependent upon the monetary policy followed by a central bank.
Anything else is simply a change in relative price, so labor would become relatively more costly while using capital goods to replace it would become more attractive.
Central banks typically target a low rate of inflation, like around 2%. The targets that the ECB and the Fed seek are in this range while BOJ has been trying to get a little inflation going for decades now. The reason for this is that inflation isn't measurable in real time and the alternative of deflation is so dangerous to any economy that any sane central bank follows policies to avoid it. Just think of how an actual appreciation in the value of a currency in real, not relative, terms would affect markets for goods of all kinds as well as the terrific burden it would place on holders of debt. In a world where goods were growing ever cheaper, purchases other than food and other necessities would be postponed and debt would grow ever more expensive to service.
Central banks therefore aim for a little inflation, since as much as they'd like currency stability instead, the measurement tools available simply aren't good enough to enable this.
Now, everyone can have their cake and eat it too as long as labor productivity growth is reflected in wage growth.
For the past decade or so, it hasn't been. There are various reasons for this, like the massive debt burdens so many companies have incurred in trying to meet the demands of large institutional investors who have flooded into equities in search of the returns that aren't available on debt these days as well as a cyclical wave of acquisitions and LBOs that have left companies with growing debt burdens to service, but at the end of the day, every company depends more upon its line workers than its senior management for its survival and prosperity and the relative wage levels of these two classes of workers should reflect this.
They don't, with mediocre senior management teams richly rewarding themselves while paying peanuts to those who are the productive and public face of their companies.


Causes of Inflation
There is no single theory for the cause of inflation that is universally agreed upon by economists and academics, but there are a few hypotheses that are commonly held.

Demand-Pull Inflation – Inflation is caused by the overall increase in demand for goods and services, which bids up their prices. This theory can be summarized as "too much money chasing too few goods". In other words, if demand is growing faster than supply, prices will increase. This usually occurs in rapidly growing economies. This theory is often promoted by the Keynesian school of economics.

Cost-Push Inflation – Inflation is caused when companies' costs of production go up. When this happens, they need to increase prices to maintain their profit margins. Increased costs can include things such as wages, taxes, or increased costs of natural resources or imports.

Monetary Inflation – Inflation is caused by an oversupply of money in the economy. Just like any other commodity, the prices of things are determined by their supply and demand. If there is too much supply, the price of that thing goes down. If that thing is money, and too much supply of money makes its value go down, the result is that the prices of everything else priced in dollars must go up! This theory is often promoted by the “Monetarist” school of economics.



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I didn't read the article, so if this was mentioned there, I apologize.

Any of these can be "A" cause for inflation.

For example, when there is a great demand for petroleum and refined products and not enough supply, the price of those goods are bid up in the commodities exchanges.

Likewise, if the value of the dollar falls, since those contracts are often priced in dollars, the price of a unit of that commodity will rise.

So there are examples where either (and maybe both) Demand-Pull inflation and Monetary-Inflation can be in play.

I can imagine, as oil reserves are harder to extract, Cost-Push inflation can raise its head.

We see the opposite now. With lower demand (even as the dollar is weaker due to QE) energy costs have stayed low. This means the more difficult to get to tar sands oil is not as desirable because of the higher costs to get that oil.

As much as anyone wants to join one economic school, (and I lean Austrian) the reality is there are a number of interrelated factors in play. I think the real trick is to understand which ones are the bigger, most effective levers at any given moment.
 
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Causes of Inflation
There is no single theory for the cause of inflation that is universally agreed upon by economists and academics, but there are a few hypotheses that are commonly held.

Demand-Pull Inflation – Inflation is caused by the overall increase in demand for goods and services, which bids up their prices. This theory can be summarized as "too much money chasing too few goods". In other words, if demand is growing faster than supply, prices will increase. This usually occurs in rapidly growing economies. This theory is often promoted by the Keynesian school of economics.

Cost-Push Inflation – Inflation is caused when companies' costs of production go up. When this happens, they need to increase prices to maintain their profit margins. Increased costs can include things such as wages, taxes, or increased costs of natural resources or imports.

Monetary Inflation – Inflation is caused by an oversupply of money in the economy. Just like any other commodity, the prices of things are determined by their supply and demand. If there is too much supply, the price of that thing goes down. If that thing is money, and too much supply of money makes its value go down, the result is that the prices of everything else priced in dollars must go up! This theory is often promoted by the “Monetarist” school of economics.



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I've never heard of "invesotpedia", so I guess I'll just rely upon what I learned in school.

First, we need to define inflation. The generally accepted definition is a general increase in the wage/price level, not merely for a single quarter or a single sector.

As for causes, we can easily dismiss two of the three you've posted:

Demand-Pull: Umm, no. Increased prices brought about by increased demand are the signal by which producers are encouraged to produce more of any good. This is basic microeconomics. Also, a change in relative price isn't in itself inflation.

Cost-Push: This is no more than a restatement of the above Demand-Pull proposition. Higher costs to buyers are also higher prices to sellers, so producers are once again moved to produce more of the good while buyers are motivated to substitute, once again in accord with basic microeconomic theory. This may take time, as in the case of petroleum, but it will happen, as it did in that case.

This leaves monetary policy as the only plausible cause of inflation. You cannot have currency inflation in the absence of a monetary policy accommodating it.
I'll go with the guy who actually won a Nobel in economics on this one.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27


I've never heard of "invesotpedia", so I guess I'll just rely upon what I learned in school.

First, we need to define inflation. The generally accepted definition is a general increase in the wage/price level, not merely for a single quarter or a single sector.

As for causes, we can easily dismiss two of the three you've posted:

Demand-Pull: Umm, no. Increased prices brought about by increased demand are the signal by which producers are encouraged to produce more of any good. This is basic microeconomics. Also, a change in relative price isn't in itself inflation.

Cost-Push: This is no more than a restatement of the above Demand-Pull proposition. Higher costs to buyers are also higher prices to sellers, so producers are once again moved to produce more of the good while buyers are motivated to substitute, once again in accord with basic microeconomic theory. This may take time, as in the case of petroleum, but it will happen, as it did in that case.

This leaves monetary policy as the only plausible cause of inflation. You cannot have currency inflation in the absence of a monetary policy accommodating it.
I'll go with the guy who actually won a Nobel in economics on this one.


Good points.

Prices of individual goods or services doesn't equal inflation in an economy. Our government measures it based on a fixed "basket" of goods.

Inflation is a term that is best suited to measuring the entire economy. Much different from the price fluctuations of individual goods or services.

Been too long since I've cracked an econ text (30 some years...)
 
I wish modern economist would crack the textbooks. Instead of rosy coloured glasses being the answer to everything until it's not!
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Is it just me or does it seem that corporations today fail to realize that by being stingy with wages and rolling back wages / cutting work force that they along with others are only shooting themselves in the foot over the long term because consumer spending is then cut back out of necessity.

It's like they can't see that one hand feeds the other and that if they give a little they will get a lot in return with benefit of a stable society where inflation grows and so do their profits and everyone is happy.

Seems to me the cycle is broken and they just keep breaking it further ?!?


Pay minimum wage, get minimum effort for quality.

It's as basic as that but we, the consumers, seem to not mind that at all.
 
We don't seem to mind because it's out of necessity because us earning more than minimum wage are also squeezed as it were.
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It's been more than thirty years for me, but microeconomics is so commonsensical that you never really forget it.
You allude to the measurement problem and it is real.
We're then getting into macroeconomics, though, which is a whole lot more complicated and involves math I haven't used in more than thirty years.
 
Home Depot has a software program that constantly monitors the hours to sales ratio. It even makes predictions based on trends and tells the managers when to cut hours. If the hours ratio tilts more towards hours than sales, the managers get in big trouble. If the sales start slipping, they get in big trouble for that too.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Home Depot has a software program that constantly monitors the hours to sales ratio. It even makes predictions based on trends and tells the managers when to cut hours. If the hours ratio tilts more towards hours than sales, the managers get in big trouble. If the sales start slipping, they get in big trouble for that too.


Don't forget the staff being mostly part-time and sent home if they approach 30 hours thanks to a bozo.
 
McDonalds has "Sales per Man Hour" and they send people home if the ratio of sales is too low to the amount of people but never below the minimum number required.

The back of house technology they have is impressive. They can even tell you down to the patties how many you need for each hour of each day of the year based on historical averages and promotions running.
 
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Is it just me or does it seem that corporations today fail to realize that by being stingy with wages and rolling back wages / cutting work force that they along with others are only shooting themselves in the foot over the long term because consumer spending is then cut back out of necessity.

It's like they can't see that one hand feeds the other and that if they give a little they will get a lot in return with benefit of a stable society where inflation grows and so do their profits and everyone is happy.

Seems to me the cycle is broken and they just keep breaking it further ?!?


What would you propose, that they keep everyone on the workforce so that they go bankrupt?
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Home Depot has a software program that constantly monitors the hours to sales ratio. It even makes predictions based on trends and tells the managers when to cut hours. If the hours ratio tilts more towards hours than sales, the managers get in big trouble. If the sales start slipping, they get in big trouble for that too.


Don't forget the staff being mostly part-time and sent home if they approach 30 hours thanks to a bozo.



At least he wasn't a moron.
 
Retail businesses for high frequency and low value purchases (grocery stores, modern CVS, Wallgreen pharmacies,etc.) have always been very competitive.

The same silly management approach when margins are squeezed is to cut back on cashiers. Nothing makes less sense to me than to make customers grow frustrated waiting in line to hand over money to the store. Cashiers are usually some of the lowest paid workers in the store. You need these folks to get all of the money as fast as possible and to keep the customers coming back. Yet they are the first to be laid offed.
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC
McDonalds has "Sales per Man Hour" and they send people home if the ratio of sales is too low to the amount of people but never below the minimum number required.

The back of house technology they have is impressive. They can even tell you down to the patties how many you need for each hour of each day of the year based on historical averages and promotions running.



I would hate to work in one of those places. You would never know how many hours you were working in a given week/how much your paycheck would be.
 
Originally Posted By: SeaJay
Retail businesses for high frequency and low value purchases (grocery stores, modern CVS, Wallgreen pharmacies,etc.) have always been very competitive.

The same silly management approach when margins are squeezed is to cut back on cashiers. Nothing makes less sense to me than to make customers grow frustrated waiting in line to hand over money to the store. Cashiers are usually some of the lowest paid workers in the store. You need these folks to get all of the money as fast as possible and to keep the customers coming back. Yet they are the first to be laid offed.


Agreed. I've been in stores where people got frustrated, put the stuff down, then left.
 
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