I changed out the FF on my 07 Accord today it had just over 5k kms, and the Maintenance Minder (MM)only showed 50%, but I couldn't resist. Now it's not that I didn't let it go longer that is bugging me so much it's that I changed it out with Mobil 1 5w30 and not a 5w20 weight because it was lying around the garage (Purolator filter)... am I crazy like some of you or should I chill out. Next run I am going to let the MM go all the way which should be around 9k kms.
I might be losng my mind ,Factory Fill changed out
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I would have used what the manual recommends,but that's just me. Probably if you look back at a 2006 or 2005 with the same engine, it will recommend 5w30. Manufacturers now recommend a 5W-20 to up their CAFE average .5mpg across the board.
Honda has been using 5w20 since 2003 I think, I know Mobil 1 5w30 is a thin 5w30 so I was hoping someone would come in and say it is to as close as a 5w20 as you can get, I will put 5w20 in it from here on out, I just wanted to use that oil up.
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Was your hand shaking like a rat terrier evacuating a peach pit as you poured that nasty 5w30 into that pristine Honda engine built to the tightest tolerances of any factory production vehicle specifically engineered for 5W-20 oil?
Huh?
Huh?
5W-20 or 0W-20 will work must better, but if it is warm enough in your area you could use the 5w30 one time.
I wouldn't worry about draining FF at 5K kms...the engine has had enough break in time.
I wouldn't worry about draining FF at 5K kms...the engine has had enough break in time.
I feel a bit better now
If it makes you feel any better, I just changed the factory fill on my wife's 2007 Dodge Charger with just 540 miles on the odometer.
Next change is when the odometer has 2,000 miles on it. Then another one when it has 5,000 miles on it. Then 5,000 mile OCIs thereafter.
Next change is when the odometer has 2,000 miles on it. Then another one when it has 5,000 miles on it. Then 5,000 mile OCIs thereafter.
I changed out the FF in my Tribute around the same time so at least I am being consistent. The oil that came out of the Accord was fairly thick and starting to get dirty. With the MM I will be looking at about 8-9 k kms Intervals.
I plan on changing my 07 Civic engine oil at 1000 miles and putting in PP. I thought this was a good thing? Isn't it?
You can change it early if you want to, but it not going to hurt you either way, changing it early or not changing it until the book recommends.
Here's the facts. I work for an unnamed auto service chain and we put bulk 10w30 into Civics and Accords all the time. We see these same vehicles in time and they show no signs of problems developing from this. In fact, the oil is often cleaner than the serviced 5w20 or 5w30, for the obvious reason that those are lighter and therefore less protective. As mentioned early, manufacturers recommend 5w30 or some other to improve the gas mileage that they can post on the window. There really isn't that great of a difference among these engines that small changes like this are causing them to go wild. With one small Toyota I have, the four-cylinder is so hard on the 5w30 that you can tell its not the best oil for parts wear. But that isn't necessarily the manufacturers first concern. When you work with oil every day, you realize that folks really worry far too much about lubricant. Being careful is always advisable, but fretting over 5w20 vs. 5w30 is somewhat like worrying whether your shirt is cotton or cotton/10% polyester.
^ Let me guess: you work for Jiffy Lube?
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yes but what makes this anecdotal evidence the facts??? How do you qualify 'clean'??? color? what about thermally activated additive packs that darken as they go through heating cycles?
Got to whatch anecdotal fact vs. chemistry...
BTW,
JMH
CAFE is why cars spec 5W20? Really? wow!
Thinner oil doesnt protect as well as thicker oil? Really? Wow!
An auto service chain that doesnt bother to carry the appropriate grade of oil for each vehicle, because it really does not matter? Really? Wow!
I have learned so much today. I am going to go throw my vehicles owners manual in the trash. I have found the truth on BITOG from these new guys.
Thinner oil doesnt protect as well as thicker oil? Really? Wow!
An auto service chain that doesnt bother to carry the appropriate grade of oil for each vehicle, because it really does not matter? Really? Wow!
I have learned so much today. I am going to go throw my vehicles owners manual in the trash. I have found the truth on BITOG from these new guys.
what are these new maintenance minders?
can you just run the oil until it tells you to change?
Thank G o d America is like it is...so people like you can make a post like that....
I can honestly say, IMHO, that if you were to run 10w30 for long in a car spec'd for 5W-20, you'd have higher rates of wear....like in my civic...NO WAY.
Echo2, your observations are valid and need to be taken in concert with oil analysis. That then compared to the proprietary and original design test data for BOTH the engine and oils.
Thats what I do to earn our keep in our consulting business.
Its much more involved than what meets the untrained eye. I am also a mechanic and understand your position. A slightly more viscous lubricant with less cheap VII adds can allow a better ring seal thus giving what looks to the eye a cleaner oil over a drain. However looks,coloration, can be deceiving in tribology. You might be using a much less lubricious oil product that just happens to resist dirt and fuel dilution better than the appropriate design product and masking the real causes of the oil degradation. All while allowing needless wear and less performance through reduced oil flow, cooling, dispersing, EP,mixed, and hydrodynamic lube regimes.
This board needs both wrench turners and scientists crossing over to get the customer, reader the best we can!
TD
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Thats what I do to earn our keep in our consulting business.
Its much more involved than what meets the untrained eye. I am also a mechanic and understand your position. A slightly more viscous lubricant with less cheap VII adds can allow a better ring seal thus giving what looks to the eye a cleaner oil over a drain. However looks,coloration, can be deceiving in tribology. You might be using a much less lubricious oil product that just happens to resist dirt and fuel dilution better than the appropriate design product and masking the real causes of the oil degradation. All while allowing needless wear and less performance through reduced oil flow, cooling, dispersing, EP,mixed, and hydrodynamic lube regimes.
This board needs both wrench turners and scientists crossing over to get the customer, reader the best we can!
TD
www.dysonanalysis.com
All places on this planet terra the recommendation for this Honda engine is 5w30... (ohh.. I forgot, except US/Canada).
Even 15w40 is recommended in places with high ambient temperature. Both xW-20 and xW-30 will be great in that engine and probably produce equal amounts of wear (unless it's conditions like arctic winter).
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