What does GAC stand for? I would like a cheap Chinese car that is more like something from the 1980s, except brand new.
GAC Motors. First US commercial this morning
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Everything will be wonderful. China is growing while we are receding, what's not to like? They might even open up an assembly plant here, that should shut up the naysayers.
Originally Posted By: c502cid
Forget what the news media and the politicians say, the Chinese people absolutely adore Americans and want to have good working relationships with us, they wan't American products too. That huge growing nation is not to be feared as economic doom for the rest of the world, but economic opportunity. Most every company you see at the local mall is already there, along with all the auto manufacturers. They get the staggering size of the market to sell to.
It is not the Chinese people or the Russian people that are my first concern . It is their leaders / governments .
Forget what the news media and the politicians say, the Chinese people absolutely adore Americans and want to have good working relationships with us, they wan't American products too. That huge growing nation is not to be feared as economic doom for the rest of the world, but economic opportunity. Most every company you see at the local mall is already there, along with all the auto manufacturers. They get the staggering size of the market to sell to.
It is not the Chinese people or the Russian people that are my first concern . It is their leaders / governments .
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: wemay
I think many dismiss China's ability to produce an excellent product. To the doubters detriment in the long run.
Produce? more like steal.. to the detriment of the world.. in the long run.
Don't forget we live in a country subject to memes like this.
Originally Posted By: wemay
I think many dismiss China's ability to produce an excellent product. To the doubters detriment in the long run.
Produce? more like steal.. to the detriment of the world.. in the long run.
Don't forget we live in a country subject to memes like this.
Originally Posted By: WyrTwister
Originally Posted By: c502cid
Forget what the news media and the politicians say, the Chinese people absolutely adore Americans and want to have good working relationships with us, they wan't American products too. That huge growing nation is not to be feared as economic doom for the rest of the world, but economic opportunity. Most every company you see at the local mall is already there, along with all the auto manufacturers. They get the staggering size of the market to sell to.
It is not the Chinese people or the Russian people that are my first concern . It is their leaders / governments .
LOL
Originally Posted By: c502cid
Forget what the news media and the politicians say, the Chinese people absolutely adore Americans and want to have good working relationships with us, they wan't American products too. That huge growing nation is not to be feared as economic doom for the rest of the world, but economic opportunity. Most every company you see at the local mall is already there, along with all the auto manufacturers. They get the staggering size of the market to sell to.
It is not the Chinese people or the Russian people that are my first concern . It is their leaders / governments .
LOL
LOL ?
Ask the millions of people ( of their own countries ) that the leaders / governments of Russia & China have murdered . If they could answer , I doubt they would consider it a laughing matter ?
Ask the millions of people ( of their own countries ) that the leaders / governments of Russia & China have murdered . If they could answer , I doubt they would consider it a laughing matter ?
Originally Posted By: c502cid
Forget what the news media and the politicians say, the Chinese people absolutely adore Americans and want to have good working relationships with us, they wan't American products too. That huge growing nation is not to be feared as economic doom for the rest of the world, but economic opportunity. Most every company you see at the local mall is already there, along with all the auto manufacturers. They get the staggering size of the market to sell to.
That's all well and good but it doesn't help US/Western workers if US based companies are making their products over there. Sure they want American products like Buick but they build them under their regulations with their workers. US workers don't benefit anything from that deal other than a kick in the balls and an unemployment check for some weeks.
You say they are a huge market to sell to but sell them what exactly, iphones, PC's, cars, tools, lets face it they make everything and anything in any quantity and quality you want, we couldn't sell them toiler paper.
They are quickly becoming the supplier and we the consumer and basing our economy on servicing their products and fast food restaurants, it cant work. When the fall comes its going to be hard and we just stand there like a deer in the headlights.
The camel has its nose under the tent, the match has been stuck, how does it get undone.
Forget what the news media and the politicians say, the Chinese people absolutely adore Americans and want to have good working relationships with us, they wan't American products too. That huge growing nation is not to be feared as economic doom for the rest of the world, but economic opportunity. Most every company you see at the local mall is already there, along with all the auto manufacturers. They get the staggering size of the market to sell to.
That's all well and good but it doesn't help US/Western workers if US based companies are making their products over there. Sure they want American products like Buick but they build them under their regulations with their workers. US workers don't benefit anything from that deal other than a kick in the balls and an unemployment check for some weeks.
You say they are a huge market to sell to but sell them what exactly, iphones, PC's, cars, tools, lets face it they make everything and anything in any quantity and quality you want, we couldn't sell them toiler paper.
They are quickly becoming the supplier and we the consumer and basing our economy on servicing their products and fast food restaurants, it cant work. When the fall comes its going to be hard and we just stand there like a deer in the headlights.
The camel has its nose under the tent, the match has been stuck, how does it get undone.
After dealing with so many auto repair parts that were made in China, I don't think I want a GAC motors car.
Also, since 1/2 of the top selling cars in China aren't from a company based in China, that is also a bad sign.
Also, since 1/2 of the top selling cars in China aren't from a company based in China, that is also a bad sign.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Also, since 1/2 of the top selling cars in China aren't from a company based in China, that is also a bad sign.
It's actually a testament on how visionary VW, GM and (somewhat) Ford were when they set up manufacturing plants in China so early in its development boom.
Also, since 1/2 of the top selling cars in China aren't from a company based in China, that is also a bad sign.
It's actually a testament on how visionary VW, GM and (somewhat) Ford were when they set up manufacturing plants in China so early in its development boom.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
After dealing with so many auto repair parts that were made in China, I don't think I want a GAC motors car.
Also, since 1/2 of the top selling cars in China aren't from a company based in China, that is also a bad sign.
Parts .
I am old school . Been doing my own shade tree mechanic since I was a teenager . Never purchased any dealer parts unless the parts were not available after market . Too expensive .
Fast forward to today . At my age I do not do a whole lot of wrenching & will do less as time goes by . Still buy aftermarket parts . From RockAuto , AZ , AAP , O'Reilly and NAPA . A fair amount of these parts are made in China .
I personally have not had a lot of problems with the China made parts . But , consider , I am an old man and drive like an old man . That may or may not have anything to do with it ?
On the other hand , I watch YouTube videos by several professional mechanics . Few have much or anything positive to say about China made parts . Some or all of this may be rooted in liability concerns , some in tradition . In my DIY mechanical , liability is not so much an issue . But I keep what they say in the back of my mind .
If I can buy a US made OEM part for the same price , or maybe a little more , I will / would .
Bottom line , for these reasons ( an several more ) I do not want to buy a car that is Made in China . If that is the way you ( collectively ) wish to spend your money , then take your chances . I wish you the best look in the world .
PS Oh , by the way , which countries have been propping up the nut jobs that have ruled North Korea , post WWII ?
After dealing with so many auto repair parts that were made in China, I don't think I want a GAC motors car.
Also, since 1/2 of the top selling cars in China aren't from a company based in China, that is also a bad sign.
Parts .
I am old school . Been doing my own shade tree mechanic since I was a teenager . Never purchased any dealer parts unless the parts were not available after market . Too expensive .
Fast forward to today . At my age I do not do a whole lot of wrenching & will do less as time goes by . Still buy aftermarket parts . From RockAuto , AZ , AAP , O'Reilly and NAPA . A fair amount of these parts are made in China .
I personally have not had a lot of problems with the China made parts . But , consider , I am an old man and drive like an old man . That may or may not have anything to do with it ?
On the other hand , I watch YouTube videos by several professional mechanics . Few have much or anything positive to say about China made parts . Some or all of this may be rooted in liability concerns , some in tradition . In my DIY mechanical , liability is not so much an issue . But I keep what they say in the back of my mind .
If I can buy a US made OEM part for the same price , or maybe a little more , I will / would .
Bottom line , for these reasons ( an several more ) I do not want to buy a car that is Made in China . If that is the way you ( collectively ) wish to spend your money , then take your chances . I wish you the best look in the world .
PS Oh , by the way , which countries have been propping up the nut jobs that have ruled North Korea , post WWII ?
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That's all well and good but it doesn't help US/Western workers if US based companies are making their products over there. Sure they want American products like Buick but they build them under their regulations with their workers. US workers don't benefit anything from that deal other than a kick in the balls and an unemployment check for some weeks.
You say they are a huge market to sell to but sell them what exactly, iphones, PC's, cars, tools, lets face it they make everything and anything in any quantity and quality you want, we couldn't sell them toiler paper.
They are quickly becoming the supplier and we the consumer and basing our economy on servicing their products and fast food restaurants, it cant work. When the fall comes its going to be hard and we just stand there like a deer in the headlights.
The camel has its nose under the tent, the match has been stuck, how does it get undone. [/quote]
You hit the nail right on the head !
Only thing you left out are the world wide power politics involved . And the aspects of a strengthened China , on that stage , do not benifit the USA .
That's all well and good but it doesn't help US/Western workers if US based companies are making their products over there. Sure they want American products like Buick but they build them under their regulations with their workers. US workers don't benefit anything from that deal other than a kick in the balls and an unemployment check for some weeks.
You say they are a huge market to sell to but sell them what exactly, iphones, PC's, cars, tools, lets face it they make everything and anything in any quantity and quality you want, we couldn't sell them toiler paper.
They are quickly becoming the supplier and we the consumer and basing our economy on servicing their products and fast food restaurants, it cant work. When the fall comes its going to be hard and we just stand there like a deer in the headlights.
The camel has its nose under the tent, the match has been stuck, how does it get undone. [/quote]
You hit the nail right on the head !
Only thing you left out are the world wide power politics involved . And the aspects of a strengthened China , on that stage , do not benifit the USA .
No point in getting into the politics of the deal. I will say that regardless of any party there are forces at work in this and every Western country determined to hammer the free world as we know into miserable world status.
They feel we need to atone for our sins (in their minds) to the underdeveloped countries over the centuries. They use every trick in the book to stop us from enjoying life the way we seem fit.
They demonize anything they don't like and now its so ingrained they just need some nut job to start howling and the people will follow like sheep and instead of say no your full of it and you can go drown yourself people hop on the bandwagon.
If you never watched it watch Demolition Man, its an old nothing movie but prophetic in some ways.
Greeting and salutations citizens, joy joy feelings.
The Chicoms are only taking advantage of our stupidity, they would be the real fools if they didn't.
They feel we need to atone for our sins (in their minds) to the underdeveloped countries over the centuries. They use every trick in the book to stop us from enjoying life the way we seem fit.
They demonize anything they don't like and now its so ingrained they just need some nut job to start howling and the people will follow like sheep and instead of say no your full of it and you can go drown yourself people hop on the bandwagon.
If you never watched it watch Demolition Man, its an old nothing movie but prophetic in some ways.
Greeting and salutations citizens, joy joy feelings.
The Chicoms are only taking advantage of our stupidity, they would be the real fools if they didn't.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Everything will be wonderful. China is growing while we are receding, what's not to like? They might even open up an assembly plant here, that should shut up the naysayers.
Worked GREAT for Germany, Japan, and Korea in their duping of the American sheeple populace, no??
Everything will be wonderful. China is growing while we are receding, what's not to like? They might even open up an assembly plant here, that should shut up the naysayers.
Worked GREAT for Germany, Japan, and Korea in their duping of the American sheeple populace, no??
Originally Posted By: Trav
No point in getting into the politics of the deal. I will say that regardless of any party there are forces at work in this and every Western country determined to hammer the free world as we know into miserable world status.
They feel we need to atone for our sins (in their minds) to the underdeveloped countries over the centuries. They use every trick in the book to stop us from enjoying life the way we seem fit.
They demonize anything they don't like and now its so ingrained they just need some nut job to start howling and the people will follow like sheep and instead of say no your full of it and you can go drown yourself people hop on the bandwagon.
If you never watched it watch Demolition Man, its an old nothing movie but prophetic in some ways.
Greeting and salutations citizens, joy joy feelings.
The Chicoms are only taking advantage of our stupidity, they would be the real fools if they didn't.
*Rubbety rubb*
No point in getting into the politics of the deal. I will say that regardless of any party there are forces at work in this and every Western country determined to hammer the free world as we know into miserable world status.
They feel we need to atone for our sins (in their minds) to the underdeveloped countries over the centuries. They use every trick in the book to stop us from enjoying life the way we seem fit.
They demonize anything they don't like and now its so ingrained they just need some nut job to start howling and the people will follow like sheep and instead of say no your full of it and you can go drown yourself people hop on the bandwagon.
If you never watched it watch Demolition Man, its an old nothing movie but prophetic in some ways.
Greeting and salutations citizens, joy joy feelings.
The Chicoms are only taking advantage of our stupidity, they would be the real fools if they didn't.
*Rubbety rubb*
It doesn't matter what the price is of the comparable item, the "Made in USA" label on products makes it the top choice among Chinese consumers. I do sell container loads of merchandise over there. I do get what you are saying though, because what I sell is surrounded by mostly empty containers going back there, but the "please bring back with you" shopping list I get from my Chinese co-workers is staggering.
Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: c502cid
I travel extensively to China and they have a lot of excellent quality manufacturers in the automotive sector, both in complete vehicles and on the parts side. They already sell internationally, I'm pretty sure Great Wall is in 42 countries already. BYD is one of the leaders in electric vehicles, especially gaining in the commercial world, also selling internationally, including the US. It's hard to keep track of all the players, it reminds me of what the US automotive market must have been like in the early 20th century.
Cute commercial, especially the Chinese kids at the end saying "ni hao".
I think many dismiss China's ability to produce an excellent product. To the doubters detriment in the long run.
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
A casual glance at the GAC display at the Detroit Auto Show was a bit scary. The vehicles looked substantial and put together well. Nothing like the 50HP Hondas introduced to the U.S. in the late 60's. The next 10 years will be interesting.
From what i saw on Youtube and read in magazine articles, you are spot on.
We see a lot of Chinese-made consumer-grade junk for sale here, but they have a manned space program, etc. I'm sure they're capable of making top-notch products, but their product managers have to get past the perception that North Americans are driven solely by price.
Originally Posted By: c502cid
I travel extensively to China and they have a lot of excellent quality manufacturers in the automotive sector, both in complete vehicles and on the parts side. They already sell internationally, I'm pretty sure Great Wall is in 42 countries already. BYD is one of the leaders in electric vehicles, especially gaining in the commercial world, also selling internationally, including the US. It's hard to keep track of all the players, it reminds me of what the US automotive market must have been like in the early 20th century.
Cute commercial, especially the Chinese kids at the end saying "ni hao".
I think many dismiss China's ability to produce an excellent product. To the doubters detriment in the long run.
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
A casual glance at the GAC display at the Detroit Auto Show was a bit scary. The vehicles looked substantial and put together well. Nothing like the 50HP Hondas introduced to the U.S. in the late 60's. The next 10 years will be interesting.
From what i saw on Youtube and read in magazine articles, you are spot on.
We see a lot of Chinese-made consumer-grade junk for sale here, but they have a manned space program, etc. I'm sure they're capable of making top-notch products, but their product managers have to get past the perception that North Americans are driven solely by price.
Originally Posted By: Trav
No point in getting into the politics of the deal. I will say that regardless of any party there are forces at work in this and every Western country determined to hammer the free world as we know into miserable world status.
They feel we need to atone for our sins (in their minds) to the underdeveloped countries over the centuries. They use every trick in the book to stop us from enjoying life the way we seem fit.
They demonize anything they don't like and now its so ingrained they just need some nut job to start howling and the people will follow like sheep and instead of say no your full of it and you can go drown yourself people hop on the bandwagon.
If you never watched it watch Demolition Man, its an old nothing movie but prophetic in some ways.
Greeting and salutations citizens, joy joy feelings.
The Chicoms are only taking advantage of our stupidity, they would be the real fools if they didn't.
We've brought this upon ourselves; I try to buy 1st-world-made products, but at this point a lot of the factories are shuttered and we have no choice. A few years ago I was not able to buy North American-made hiking boots locally.
No point in getting into the politics of the deal. I will say that regardless of any party there are forces at work in this and every Western country determined to hammer the free world as we know into miserable world status.
They feel we need to atone for our sins (in their minds) to the underdeveloped countries over the centuries. They use every trick in the book to stop us from enjoying life the way we seem fit.
They demonize anything they don't like and now its so ingrained they just need some nut job to start howling and the people will follow like sheep and instead of say no your full of it and you can go drown yourself people hop on the bandwagon.
If you never watched it watch Demolition Man, its an old nothing movie but prophetic in some ways.
Greeting and salutations citizens, joy joy feelings.
The Chicoms are only taking advantage of our stupidity, they would be the real fools if they didn't.
We've brought this upon ourselves; I try to buy 1st-world-made products, but at this point a lot of the factories are shuttered and we have no choice. A few years ago I was not able to buy North American-made hiking boots locally.
Originally Posted By: Number_35
We see a lot of Chinese-made consumer-grade junk for sale here, but they have a manned space program, etc. I'm sure they're capable of making top-notch products, but their product managers have to get past the perception that North Americans are driven solely by price.
These are products specified and imported by American retailers. They do indeed try to import the cheapest product possible. There are better quality items that cost more.
We can yell and scream that they are bringing in junk but if you look at the big picture, it makes sense. We have had flat wage growth since the early 80-s and yet the quality of our lives has improved significantly due primarily to cheaper manufacturing costs in China and countries in Southeast Asia.
Those of use unaffected by the job losses in the US have benefited greatly. Others are SOL but still manage to have a better life than what would have been the alternative without those cheap imports.
We see a lot of Chinese-made consumer-grade junk for sale here, but they have a manned space program, etc. I'm sure they're capable of making top-notch products, but their product managers have to get past the perception that North Americans are driven solely by price.
These are products specified and imported by American retailers. They do indeed try to import the cheapest product possible. There are better quality items that cost more.
We can yell and scream that they are bringing in junk but if you look at the big picture, it makes sense. We have had flat wage growth since the early 80-s and yet the quality of our lives has improved significantly due primarily to cheaper manufacturing costs in China and countries in Southeast Asia.
Those of use unaffected by the job losses in the US have benefited greatly. Others are SOL but still manage to have a better life than what would have been the alternative without those cheap imports.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: wemay
I think many dismiss China's ability to produce an excellent product. To the doubters detriment in the long run.
Produce? more like steal.. to the detriment of the world.. in the long run.
Consumers get more choice-it's a win IMHO. I bought a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe XL for my wife. It was $5,000.00 less than Honda/Toyota. That's win for me-IMHO.
Originally Posted By: wemay
I think many dismiss China's ability to produce an excellent product. To the doubters detriment in the long run.
Produce? more like steal.. to the detriment of the world.. in the long run.
Consumers get more choice-it's a win IMHO. I bought a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe XL for my wife. It was $5,000.00 less than Honda/Toyota. That's win for me-IMHO.
The so-called American made products are assembled in the US using a large percentage of foreign made parts. To add even more perspective what is the difference when vehicles and major components are mostly made by robots and machines that were designed elsewhere?
This is the global society we have today. We have to admit to ourselves that the US say on its laurels while everyone else saw the future and embraced it.
If the same robots made by Siemens are making cars in Korea versus Michigan does it make a difference?
This is the global society we have today. We have to admit to ourselves that the US say on its laurels while everyone else saw the future and embraced it.
If the same robots made by Siemens are making cars in Korea versus Michigan does it make a difference?
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