Ford Edge owners chime in

Ws6 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by glock19
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by glock19
Originally Posted by Ws6
The escape is playing in a tough field. Mazda dominates that field. The RAV4 Prime is also sure to be a very heavy hitter.

I know you love your Mazda, but they definitely don't dominate the field. In 2019 the CX5 was outsold by (in order) the Rav4, CR-V, Rogue, Equinox, Grand Cherokee, Escape, Highlander, Wrangler, Cherokee, Explorer, Outback, and Forester.

I don't mean numbers wise. I mean at the price point for what you get, although I do think the new Forester is very nice inside, the lack of the 2.0T leaves it as one of the most boring on-road options. Highlander is more like the Edge. Outback with the upgraded engine is a solid call if you like CVT's. Grand Cherokee...no. It's not in the same league as the others unless you like repairs. The RAV4 has been a massive swing and miss according to pretty much everyone, but the Prime might be its redemption. The Equinox is okay. Wrangler is the same size, but really not the same type of vehicle.

Sales doesn't determine domination in my book, or I'd have to say that the Rogue is one of the best CUVs, and just no...I don't think ANYONE would make that claim.

https://www.caranddriver.com/featur...CytMHS1-1GSG8x2PuTsXebDFZ3NlrJguD2Qargk4

Fair enough, I thought you were talking about dominating the market sales-wise.

No, absolutely not. Sales numbers don't matter to me when I consider a vehicle. I've bought some pretty low production cars, and some mustang/trans am level cars. I don't care one bit, nor would I try to use that as a selling point really, unless it was a older beater and I was considering junkyard take-off availability (for that, dude...Honda and Nissan i4 engined vehicles...or crown vic, ROFL!)

cb_13 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by 4WD
We bought an Explorer Sport â€¦ it came with a 3.5L eB â€¦ but really wanted it for the 4WD and interior

What interior option did it have that Titanium didn't? 4wd isnt unique to the sport at all either.

Previously the Sport was top of the line trim package for Ford. We were looking at buying a Lincoln MKX as the wife's grandmother has one and really likes it but went with an Edge Sport for the price savings as the Lincoln name carries a premium.

The interior has color contrast stitching and on ours two tone leather where a Titanium would have monotone with matching stitching. I too prefer the interior of a Sport package but mostly the exterior styling differences.

grampi · Feb 25, 2020

The thing that concerns me about Mazdas is their lack of rustproofing. I don't know if their rustproofing process has improved or not, but we had an MPV that had a terrible case of rust. Living in the snow belt this is a big concern. We loved the MPV, but we ended up having to get rid of it solely because of the rust...mechanically it was fine...

Ws6 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by cb_13
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by 4WD
We bought an Explorer Sport â€¦ it came with a 3.5L eB â€¦ but really wanted it for the 4WD and interior

What interior option did it have that Titanium didn't? 4wd isnt unique to the sport at all either.

Previously the Sport was top of the line trim package for Ford. We were looking at buying a Lincoln MKX as the wife's grandmother has one and really likes it but went with an Edge Sport for the price savings as the Lincoln name carries a premium.

The interior has color contrast stitching and on ours two tone leather where a Titanium would have monotone with matching stitching. I too prefer the interior of a Sport package but mostly the exterior styling differences.

$5K for stitching and leather difference? Well, why not I guess.

Ws6 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by grampi
The thing that concerns me about Mazdas is their lack of rustproofing. I don't know if their rustproofing process has improved or not, but we had an MPV that had a terrible case of rust. Living in the snow belt this is a big concern. We loved the MPV, but we ended up having to get rid of it solely because of the rust...mechanically it was fine...

I don't life in the rust belt, but my CX5 racked up 100K miles on roads salted yearly with no issues at all. I inspected it pretty closely, crawling underneath periodically, etc. Did as well as any car I've owned.

OVERKILL · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by Ws6
Grand Cherokee...no. It's not in the same league as the others unless you like repairs.

Still playing that song eh?

I dunno, I like having 475HP and a really REALLY nice interior but then I didn't buy a used previous generation of a product and then decide to base my opinion, and advice for every query that even touches on it, on that singular experience

If I had, boy, would I absolutely HATE Subaru!

cb_13 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by cb_13
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by 4WD
We bought an Explorer Sport â€¦ it came with a 3.5L eB â€¦ but really wanted it for the 4WD and interior

What interior option did it have that Titanium didn't? 4wd isnt unique to the sport at all either.

Previously the Sport was top of the line trim package for Ford. We were looking at buying a Lincoln MKX as the wife's grandmother has one and really likes it but went with an Edge Sport for the price savings as the Lincoln name carries a premium.

The interior has color contrast stitching and on ours two tone leather where a Titanium would have monotone with matching stitching. I too prefer the interior of a Sport package but mostly the exterior styling differences.

$5K for stitching and leather difference? Well, why not I guess.

Far from the only differences but you asked about interior.

Ws6 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Ws6
Grand Cherokee...no. It's not in the same league as the others unless you like repairs.

Still playing that song eh?

I dunno, I like having 475HP and a really REALLY nice interior but then I didn't buy a used previous generation of a product and then decide to base my opinion, and advice for every query that even touches on it, on that singular experience

If I had, boy, would I absolutely HATE Subaru!

Jeep still makes junk, according to every source but some guy I dont know on a forum. Even their own forums are full of train wrecks. Go browse them. The current SRT does have a nice looking interior, but its dated in features at this point.

https://www.jeepforum.com/#/forums/309

Literally just a list of problems owners are seeking support in solving, almost all of which indicate substandard materials and workmanship.

Now compare to this. A few issues threads, but mostly about mods or tires or whatever.

https://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/?s=bb62ccfa972699cd36970409af396471

The Jeep Cherokee forums though? Oof...

https://www.jeepforum.com/#/forums/428

Sure is telling how actual owners populate their forum. Dumpsterfire.

Ws6 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by cb_13

$5K for stitching and leather difference? Well, why not I guess.
Quote

Far from the only differences but you asked about interior.

Yes, because that and awd were all you cared about, per your first post on the matter. I was unaware the sport was the only awd offering.

cb_13 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by cb_13

$5K for stitching and leather difference? Well, why not I guess.
Quote

Far from the only differences but you asked about interior.

Yes, because that and awd were all you cared about, per your first post on the matter. I was unaware the sport was the only awd offering.

Not my post, might want to reread that.

But you are correct that awd is available in multiple trims. For my year of Edge the 3.7 was only available in either the Edge Sport or the Lincoln. I'm not sure that you could get the LED exterior lighting and projector headlamps any other package either.

Andrew1972 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by grampi
My wife an I own a 2016 Sienna, and it's a good vehicle, but its just the two of us now, and we really don't have a need for a vehicle this big. It's literally like driving a school bus around. We've been thinking of something a bit smaller like an SUV, and we really like the Edge. We haven't driven anything yet, but plan to do so soon. What are the pros and cons of the Edge? Any particular trim models/engine combos to stay away from, or gravitate towards?

I have rented the Sienna and Edge recently. I'd gravitate towards keeping the Sienna if comfort matters as it is superior by a long shot. Not pretty to look at from outside and large I concur. But inside the Ford is okay.

Recommend some test drives.

grampi · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by madRiver
Originally Posted by grampi
My wife an I own a 2016 Sienna, and it's a good vehicle, but its just the two of us now, and we really don't have a need for a vehicle this big. It's literally like driving a school bus around. We've been thinking of something a bit smaller like an SUV, and we really like the Edge. We haven't driven anything yet, but plan to do so soon. What are the pros and cons of the Edge? Any particular trim models/engine combos to stay away from, or gravitate towards?

I have rented the Sienna and Edge recently. I'd gravitate towards keeping the Sienna if comfort matters as it is superior by a long shot. Not pretty to look at from outside and large I concur. But inside the Ford is okay.

Recommend some test drives.

We could actually just keep the Sienna, but I don't like driving it. It's just too darn big...parking it is like trying to dock an aircraft carrier...

Ws6 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by cb_13
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by cb_13

$5K for stitching and leather difference? Well, why not I guess.
Quote

Far from the only differences but you asked about interior.

Yes, because that and awd were all you cared about, per your first post on the matter. I was unaware the sport was the only awd offering.

Not my post, might want to reread that.

But you are correct that awd is available in multiple trims. For my year of Edge the 3.7 was only available in either the Edge Sport or the Lincoln. I'm not sure that you could get the LED exterior lighting and projector headlamps any other package either.

The projectors alone are worth it. My girlfriend's Titanium just doesnt illuminate the road well at all, even with Osram Nightbreakers.

wdn · Feb 25, 2020

2018 Ford Edge is Below Average reliability in Consumer Reports 2019 used car buying guide. All 3 of the Subarus that were discussed here: 2018 Impreza hatchback, Forester and Crosstrek all rated Above Average. The 2020 buying guide is not published yet so 2018 model year is the newest that has ratings available. The 2018 CR-V and RAV4 are both Above Average too.

grampi · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by wdn
2018 Ford Edge is Below Average reliability in Consumer Reports 2019 used car buying guide. All 3 of the Subarus that were discussed here: 2018 Impreza hatchback, Forester and Crosstrek all rated Above Average. The 2020 buying guide is not published yet so 2018 model year is the newest that has ratings available. The 2018 CR-V and RAV4 are both Above Average too.

I have learned to take CR's ratings with a grain of salt. They always rate the imports better than the domestics, and most of the time by a wide margin, when in reality I'm not seeing that much of a gap anymore. Are the imports better? In some cases, yes, but it isn't night and day like it used to be in the past, and not like CR's ratings would have you believe...

OVERKILL · Feb 25, 2020

john_pifer · Feb 25, 2020

Back to the topic at hand...

In June 2017, my mom was in a bad wreck in her 2007 Edge. An 18-year-old in a 1st-generation Expedition crossed the centerline on a 4-lane main city thoroughfare and hit her head-on. Not sure how fast either of them were going, but the speed limit is 40 mph. Mom was 76 years old at the time, and already suffering from osteo-arthritis. It broke a couple of vertabrae, a few ribs, her sternum, and her hand, along with lacerations, the worst bruising you've ever seen, and other injuries. She was wearing her seatbelt.

She's lucky to be alive, and I believe that her 2007 Ford Edge is one of the big reasons for that.

That, and the fact that she never had a single problem with her '07, was the reason I suggested that she buy another Edge (which, she did - a Ford Certified Pre-Owned 2014 model). She got the '14 model shortly after the crash, and has had no problems with it, either.

I believe they're good cars. And I'm a big Japanese car fan.

Black_Thunder · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by Black_Thunder
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by Black_Thunder
My brother and his wife have a 2013, they bought it used with only 30k on it. Has the 3.5 which moves it down the road nicely.

its a very nice vehicle, its the higher end model so it has the gadgets etc and the interior is nice

they've done very little work to it, just regular oil changes etc. Only threw engine fault once since they had it and it was an Evap code which happens with capless fuel fill that just gets gummed up here and there so you just have to clean/lube it and its fine.

I changed the PTU fluid on it and yes that stuff needs to be changed regularly because of the location it gets hot etc.

but I've driven it down the road and they ride really nice and the headlights are awesome.

eventually I might be in the market for one but I'd probably go for the 2.7 ecoboost

I thought about an Edge before getting my CX5, but the power just isn't there. The 2.7 Ecoboost is now rated at 335bhp, and 380# of torque, and it is backed by an 8-speed transmission. It's acceleration stats are 0-60 in 5.7, and 1/4 mile in 14.3@98mph. This is the new Edge ST model, and using C&D's stats (I find they are usually the quickest).

That's just really unimpressive to me. If I was going to buy a vehicle in this class, it would be a BMW M340i or SQ5. I doubt the Edge is any more reliable, based on my experience with my girlfriend's, and these would slaughter it in any comparison you chose to have except maybe "area in the hatch space" or something. I'd definitely buy this class of vehicle pre-owned, certified, due to the massive depreciation they suffer.

I would imagine most people buying this type of vehicle don't really care about 1/4 mile times as they aren't likely taking them to the track.

Then why are they spending the money to get the ST/Sport model, if NOT for the acceleration? You really think it's just for towing or something?

Because i would simply rather have the 2.7 then the 3.5 or 2.0

Ws6 · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Ws6
Jeep still makes junk, according to every source but some guy I dont know on a forum.

I've owned 3x WK2's and I wouldn't describe any of them as "junk". The use of juvenile language like that makes you sound like a child. I try to avoid labelling things others have spent significant amounts of money on as "junk" or "garbage" or whatever other gutter-level language that could be easily avoided.

Originally Posted by Ws6
Even their own forums are full of train wrecks. Go browse them.

I just clicked on the WK2 forum and it doesn't resemble anything remotely approaching a train wreck:
https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/

Originally Posted by Ws6
The current SRT does have a nice looking interior, but its dated in features at this point.

It's more than nice looking, it is extremely comfortable, very quiet, and reasonably feature rich for the age of the platform. Also, materials selection is excellent.

Originally Posted by Ws6
The Jeep Cherokee forums though? Oof...

How about the CX-5 forum? I see you linked a Toyota one instead... which seemed odd until I did a quick search:
1. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/ind...drivers-side-mirror-vibration.123870881/
2. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/ind...ash-panel-should-i-be-worried.123870877/
3. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/daytime-running-lights-dim-flickering.123857122/
4. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/cx-5-passenger-window-not-working.123870815/
5. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/2016-cx5-drl-recall-announced.123870786/
6. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/2014-liftgate-wont-open.123864459/
7. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/anybody-else-having-this-happen.123870847/
8. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/ind...afs-troubleshooting-need-help.123870808/
9. https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/that-load-creaking-sound.123870816/

That's in the first 40 threads.

Compared to the WK2 board, also the first 40 threads:
1. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/oil-leaks-5-7l-hemi-4388179/
2. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/pentastar-3-6-timing-case-leak-4287417/
3. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/2012-jgc-rear-wheel-slippage-4387727/
4. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/radio-staying-2014-limited-4386995/
5. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f30...-engine-load-while-accelerating-4382327/
6. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/2012-wk-coolant-woes-advice-needed-4386911/
7. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/ran-out-gas-1-4-tank-left-4387341/
8. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/possible-roller-lifter-failure-4387317/
9. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/11wk2-blowing-p000b-p0016-codes-4387387/
10. https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/2017-trailhawk-problems-4387109/

Not surprisingly for the WK2 forum, most of those threads are for vehicles 8 or 9 years old.

Your links prove my point. Mazda owners are concerned about a slight mirror vibration. Jeep owners all about "I'm loosing coolant..." "My oil is leaking out", "Maybe my engine's internals have failed". etc. You can say "Oh, those are all 8-9 years old", but those Jeep Cherokees aren't, and their forum is the same.

The worst thing you linked to in the Mazda forum is a daytime running light not working and Mazda doing an ACTUAL RECALL to fix it, unlike FCA, who just band-aids their problems and doesn't care about their product of the customer, just loss of life lawsuits.
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...ss-action-says-recall-fix-wrecked-jeeps/

I get it, your sample of 3 that you never even put any real miles on was good. That's awesome, man. A low mileage sample of 3. Congrats?

I'll side with the preponderance of owners vs. 1 guy on a forum who has had 3 cherry examples with no miles on them.

Re your SRT Jeep:

-It's louder than I would expect, at 69dB, per C&D at 70mph
-The materials DO look nice and feel nice. I am a huge fan of suede.
-When you say feature rich...what features does it have that are functional (by functional, I mean actually useful, meaningful, etc. such as "radar cruise control" vs. "I like the multi-color gauges"?) Have they put cooled seats, HUD, etc. in them yet?

Quattro Pete · Feb 25, 2020

Originally Posted by Ws6
Re your SRT Jeep:

-It's louder than I would expect, at 69dB, per C&D at 70mph

Yup, I'm sure there are a ton of folks out there that buy an SRT and then proceed to complain that it's not exactly whisper quiet.

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